[gentoo-user] kview missing 50% of its menus - what to install?

[gentoo-user] kview missing 50% of its menus - what to install?

[reader]

I've installed kde-base/kdebase.  The kview viewer apparantly is
missing something like 50% of its functionality.  That is, many `menu'
items mentioned in reference manual getting started section are not
present in my browser.

The whose section on getting started is useless since many of the
needed functions are missing.

Filters transform gamma brightness blur Desktop... all missing.  Or
well hidden.

I'm guessing I need to install some more of kde.  So I thought I might
kill a fat hog by emerge -v -p kdebase/kde-meta.

On the contrary this produces a large nasty looking list of pkgs that
are blocked by numerous other packages.  This looks like a large mess
and complete uneccessary time sink and pain in the butt.  If it is
just some simple chore it is well disguised.

Anyone know what packages will render kview into something more usable
than a counterweight to hold down disk space?

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Re: [gentoo-user] kview missing 50% of its menus - what to install?

[Chris White]

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On Tuesday 13 December 2005 11:38, reader@newsguy.com wrote:
[lots of ranting]

This email would prove more usefull to us if it was less rant and more 
specifics.  How you want us to figure out what version of kde you're using, 
what guide you're talking about, or what browser functionality you're 
referring to is beyond me.  Give us more details and until you do this 
remains nothing BUT a rant.

As for as your blocker complaint, our official documentation here:

<http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/kde-split-ebuilds.xml>

clearly explains what's going on.

Chris White

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[gentoo-user] Re: kview missing 50% of its menus - what to install?

[reader]

Chris White <chriswhite@gentoo.org> writes:

> On Tuesday 13 December 2005 11:38, reader@newsguy.com wrote:
> [lots of ranting]
>
> This email would prove more usefull to us if it was less rant and more 
> specifics.  How you want us to figure out what version of kde you're using, 
> what guide you're talking about, or what browser functionality you're 
> referring to is beyond me.  Give us more details and until you do this 
> remains nothing BUT a rant.

Let me try this again, without dorky rant.

Version of kde 3.4.1  Installed like this:
emerge -v kde-base/kdebase

With that installed, the kview tool appears to be missing several menu
items referenced in kde's kview manual.

My version shows:

File  Edit View Go Tools Settings Help  
  As is expected I believe.

Clicking help there brings up kview manual.  In the headings one
finds:
  A sample KView session

Beginning there, user is walked thru creating a wallpaper.

  [...] At header:
  Stirring the Paste

We find:

  We wanted to be creative, didn't we? KView provides some filter
  functions to manipulate images. They are (conveniently) placed in the
  Filter menu. Firstly, we will change the so-called “gamma factor”.

My kview browser does not have a `Filter menu'  and so no `gamma
factor' either.

Further along is header:
   Cluttering up your desktop:
Where we find:

   The great moment has finally come: Choose Desktop->Desktop Tile and
   admire your incredibly artistic background:

My kview browser does not have `Desktop->Desktop Tile

I'm guessing there are other kde packages that add that stuff to
kview?  And asking what they might be.

I currently have these installed:

kde-base/kdegraphics-3.4.1-r1
kde-base/kdelibs-3.4.1-r1
kde-base/kdebase-pam-6
kde-base/kde-env-3-r4
kde-base/arts-3.4.1-r2
kde-base/kdebase-3.4.1-r1
kde-base/kdeartwork-3.4.1
kde-base/kdepim-3.4.1-r2
kde-base/kdegames-3.4.1
kde-base/kdeutils-3.4.1
kde-base/kdenetwork-3.4.1-r1
kde-base/kdeedu-3.4.1-r1


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kview missing 50% of its menus - what to install?

[Robert Crawford]

kdeaddons?


On Tuesday 13 December 2005 09:43, reader@newsguy.com wrote:
> Chris White <chriswhite@gentoo.org> writes:
> > On Tuesday 13 December 2005 11:38, reader@newsguy.com wrote:
> > [lots of ranting]
> >
> > This email would prove more usefull to us if it was less rant and more
> > specifics.  How you want us to figure out what version of kde you're
> > using, what guide you're talking about, or what browser functionality
> > you're referring to is beyond me.  Give us more details and until you do
> > this remains nothing BUT a rant.
>
> Let me try this again, without dorky rant.
>
> Version of kde 3.4.1  Installed like this:
> emerge -v kde-base/kdebase
>
> With that installed, the kview tool appears to be missing several menu
> items referenced in kde's kview manual.
>
> My version shows:
>
> File  Edit View Go Tools Settings Help
>   As is expected I believe.
>
> Clicking help there brings up kview manual.  In the headings one
> finds:
>   A sample KView session
>
> Beginning there, user is walked thru creating a wallpaper.
>
>   [...] At header:
>   Stirring the Paste
>
> We find:
>
>   We wanted to be creative, didn't we? KView provides some filter
>   functions to manipulate images. They are (conveniently) placed in the
>   Filter menu. Firstly, we will change the so-called “gamma factor”.
>
> My kview browser does not have a `Filter menu'  and so no `gamma
> factor' either.
>
> Further along is header:
>    Cluttering up your desktop:
> Where we find:
>
>    The great moment has finally come: Choose Desktop->Desktop Tile and
>    admire your incredibly artistic background:
>
> My kview browser does not have `Desktop->Desktop Tile
>
> I'm guessing there are other kde packages that add that stuff to
> kview?  And asking what they might be.
>
> I currently have these installed:
>
> kde-base/kdegraphics-3.4.1-r1
> kde-base/kdelibs-3.4.1-r1
> kde-base/kdebase-pam-6
> kde-base/kde-env-3-r4
> kde-base/arts-3.4.1-r2
> kde-base/kdebase-3.4.1-r1
> kde-base/kdeartwork-3.4.1
> kde-base/kdepim-3.4.1-r2
> kde-base/kdegames-3.4.1
> kde-base/kdeutils-3.4.1
> kde-base/kdenetwork-3.4.1-r1
> kde-base/kdeedu-3.4.1-r1

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kview missing 50% of its menus - what to install?

[Robert Crawford]

Just suggesting it, as it wasn't in the list of your already installed 
packages. I think it does contain something called fsview (files system view) 
and other plugins that might help add some kview functionality, but yes, I'm 
really just guessing. Can't hurt to emerge it and see.

R.C.

On Tuesday 13 December 2005 11:54, reader@newsguy.com wrote:
> Robert Crawford <flacycads@cox.net> writes:
> > kdeaddons?
>
> Does the question mark mean you are guessing or that you are asking
> If I tried adding that?
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[gentoo-user] Re: kview missing 50% of its menus - what to install?

[reader]

Robert Crawford <flacycads@cox.net> writes:

> kdeaddons?

Does the question mark mean you are guessing or that you are asking
If I tried adding that?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kview missing 50% of its menus - what to install?

[Richard Fish]

On 12/13/05, reader@newsguy.com <reader@newsguy.com> wrote:
> My kview browser does not have a `Filter menu'  and so no `gamma
> factor' either.

The current kview documentation
(http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdegraphics/kview/) makes no reference
to a 'Filter' menu, but does have an Effects menu, which you are
missing.  However, again according to the documentation, the Effects
menu is only displayed if you turn on "Settings->Configure
KView->Application->Plugins->Effects".  This documentation, and the
version I am using, are probably more recent than 3.4.1, but maybe
there is something similar in 3.4.1.

HTH,
-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kview missing 50% of its menus - what to install?

[Richard Fish]

On 12/13/05, reader@newsguy.com <reader@newsguy.com> wrote:
> From section `Stirring the paste' of kview hand book'  accessed from
> help menu on kview:

There is no such section in the current handbook....

> But that still leaves a few other menus that are missing.
>
> Do you see anything that looks like it might be this reference:
>  From header:
>   `Cluttering up your desk'

Cannot find the word "cluttering" in the current (3.5) documentation
anywhere.  Moreover, the online document I linked to, and my local
documentation seem to be an exact match, and also match the KDE 3.5
KView application.

Finally, looking through the KDE CVS repository, I see that the
removed files area for kview contains files filter.cpp, filter.h,
filtlist.cpp, and filtlist.h, along with some other filter related
things.  It looks like these existed for KDE 2.x, but were removed in
KDE 3.

It seems that this functionality was removed quite some time ago.  I
don't know why you still have obsolete documentation (maybe it was
just recently fixed?).

-Richard

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[gentoo-user] Re: kview missing 50% of its menus - what to install?

[reader]

Richard Fish <bigfish@asmallpond.org> writes:

> On 12/13/05, reader@newsguy.com <reader@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> My kview browser does not have a `Filter menu'  and so no `gamma
>> factor' either.
>
> The current kview documentation
> (http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdegraphics/kview/) makes no reference
> to a 'Filter' menu, but does have an Effects menu, which you are

What gentoo offers as stable does have such a reference 

>From section `Stirring the paste' of kview hand book'  accessed from
help menu on kview:

  We wanted to be creative, didn't we? KView provides some filter
  functions to manipulate images. They are (conveniently) placed in the
  Filter menu. Firstly, we will change the so-called “gamma
  factor”. This value affects mostly the mid-tones in the picture,
  leaving the brightest and darkest parts more or less untouched. Choose
  Filter->Intensity->Gamma correct from the menu bar. A dialog box
  appears. Change the value to 0.4 and hit the OK button. The picture is
  somewhat darker now:

> missing.  However, again according to the documentation, the Effects
> menu is only displayed if you turn on "Settings->Configure
> KView->Application->Plugins->Effects".  This documentation, and the
> version I am using, are probably more recent than 3.4.1, but maybe
> there is something similar in 3.4.1.

Turns out there is something similar that does at least allow gamma
correction.  Apparently the installed handbook is out of date in
comparision to the software tool.

But that still leaves a few other menus that are missing.

Do you see anything that looks like it might be this reference:
 From header: 
  `Cluttering up your desk'

  The great moment has finally come: Choose Desktop->Desktop Tile and
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
  admire your incredibly artistic background:


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kview missing 50% of its menus - what to install?

[Chris White]

On Wednesday 14 December 2005 03:19, Richard Fish wrote:

> Finally, looking through the KDE CVS repository, I see that the
> removed files area for kview contains files filter.cpp, filter.h,
> filtlist.cpp, and filtlist.h, along with some other filter related
> things.  It looks like these existed for KDE 2.x, but were removed in
> KDE 3.
>
> It seems that this functionality was removed quite some time ago.  I
> don't know why you still have obsolete documentation (maybe it was
> just recently fixed?).

Neither do I, I'm asking upstream now.  My only guess is that it was removed 
from KView because Krita is what KDE is promoting as the better image editor.  
Note that Krita does have Guassian Blur, etc. etc. in it.  We install the 
same as upstream does, so if the docs say that, it's upstream.

> -Richard

Chris White
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[gentoo-user] Re: kview missing 50% of its menus - what to install?

[reader]

Chris White <chriswhite@gentoo.org> writes:

> On Wednesday 14 December 2005 03:19, Richard Fish wrote:
>
>> Finally, looking through the KDE CVS repository, I see that the
>> removed files area for kview contains files filter.cpp, filter.h,
>> filtlist.cpp, and filtlist.h, along with some other filter related
>> things.  It looks like these existed for KDE 2.x, but were removed in
>> KDE 3.
>>
>> It seems that this functionality was removed quite some time ago.  I
>> don't know why you still have obsolete documentation (maybe it was
>> just recently fixed?).


Thanks for deep digging on that and also a good lesson for me as to
how its done.

> Neither do I, I'm asking upstream now.  My only guess is that it was removed 
> from KView because Krita is what KDE is promoting as the better image editor.  
> Note that Krita does have Guassian Blur, etc. etc. in it.  We install the 
> same as upstream does, so if the docs say that, it's upstream.

Thanks to you too Chris.  Should I have `Krita' installed with
kde-base/kdebase-3.4.1 (was stable until just very recent.  I noticed
after sync that 3.4.3 is now stable)

Or is Krita only in 3.5.

PS, all will be somewhat mute after this evenings update world which
will install 3.5.

Taking a chance here on cadging some related info:
As posted in another thread earlier today.  emerge -v -Dup world shows
a mixture of 3.4.3 and 3.5 being required (given my package.keywords)

Note below that both 3.4.3 and 3.5 versions will be installed for
several packages.  How can I prevent that?  Or should I even worry
about it.  It seems kind of space hogish.

Following is output from emerge -v -Dup world filtered for kde stuff
only.  AFter that I've inlined /etc/portage.keywords

  [ebuild U ] kde-base/arts-3.4.3 [3.4.1-r2] +alsa +arts
  -artswrappersuid -debug -esd -hardened -jack -kdeenablefinal +mp3 -nas
  +vorbis +xinerama 922 kB
  
  [ebuild U ] kde-base/kdelibs-3.4.3 [3.4.1-r1] +alsa +arts +cups -debug
  -doc -jpeg2k -kdeenablefinal -kerberos -openexr +spell +ssl +tiff
  +xinerama -zeroconf 16,482 kB
  
  [ebuild U ] kde-base/kdebase-3.4.3-r1 [3.4.1-r1] +arts +cups -debug
  -hal -ieee1394 -java -kdeenablefinal -ldap -lm_sensors -logitech-mouse
  -openexr +opengl +pam +samba +ssl +xinerama 21,908 kB
  
  [ebuild U ] kde-base/kdenetwork-3.4.3 [3.4.1-r1] +arts -debug
  -kdeenablefinal -rdesktop -slp +ssl -wifi +xinerama +xmms 7,192 kB
  
  [ebuild NS ] kde-base/arts-3.5.0 +alsa +arts -artswrappersuid -debug
  -esd -jack -kdeenablefinal +mp3 -nas +vorbis +xinerama 927 kB
  
  [ebuild NS ] kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.0 -acl +alsa +arts +cups -debug -doc
  -jpeg2k -kdeenablefinal -kerberos -openexr +spell +ssl +tiff +xinerama
  -zeroconf 15,019 kB
  
  [ebuild NS ] kde-base/kdebase-3.5.0-r1 +arts +cups -debug -hal
  -ieee1394 -java -kdeenablefinal -ldap -lm_sensors -logitech-mouse
  -openexr +opengl +pam +samba +ssl +xinerama -zeroconf 22,688 kB

===================

cat /etc/portage/package.keywords

  app-editors/bvi ~x86
  app-editors/vim ~x86
  app-editors/emacs-cvs ~x86
  dev-perl/gimp-perl ~x86
  media-video/cinelerra-cvs ~x86
  dev-db/mysql ~x86
  app-backup/bacula ~x86
  app-shells/ksh ~x86
  app-portage/gentoolkit ~x86
  media-sound/audacity ~x86
  mail-filter/spamassassin ~x86
  net-proxy/squid  ~x86
  net-proxy/privoxy ~x86
  kde-base/kdebase ~x86
  kde-base/kdelibs ~x86
  kde-base/arts ~x86
  kde-base/kdegraphics   x86
  kde-base/kde-env  x86
  kde-base/kdeartwork  x86
  kde-base/kdeutils  x86
  kde-base/kdenetwork  x86

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kview missing 50% of its menus - what to install?

[Chris White]

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On Wednesday 14 December 2005 11:24, reader@newsguy.com wrote:
> Chris White <chriswhite@gentoo.org> writes:
> > On Wednesday 14 December 2005 03:19, Richard Fish wrote:
> >> Finally, looking through the KDE CVS repository, I see that the
> >> removed files area for kview contains files filter.cpp, filter.h,
> >> filtlist.cpp, and filtlist.h, along with some other filter related
> >> things.  It looks like these existed for KDE 2.x, but were removed in
> >> KDE 3.
> >>
> >> It seems that this functionality was removed quite some time ago.  I
> >> don't know why you still have obsolete documentation (maybe it was
> >> just recently fixed?).
>
> Thanks for deep digging on that and also a good lesson for me as to
> how its done.
>
> > Neither do I, I'm asking upstream now.  My only guess is that it was
> > removed from KView because Krita is what KDE is promoting as the better
> > image editor. Note that Krita does have Guassian Blur, etc. etc. in it. 
> > We install the same as upstream does, so if the docs say that, it's
> > upstream.
>
> Thanks to you too Chris.  Should I have `Krita' installed with
> kde-base/kdebase-3.4.1 (was stable until just very recent.  I noticed
> after sync that 3.4.3 is now stable)
>
> Or is Krita only in 3.5.

Krita is part of koffice, as well as part of a seperate ebuild.  I have it 
currently in 3.4.3.

> PS, all will be somewhat mute after this evenings update world which
> will install 3.5.
>
> Taking a chance here on cadging some related info:
> As posted in another thread earlier today.  emerge -v -Dup world shows
> a mixture of 3.4.3 and 3.5 being required (given my package.keywords)
>
> Note below that both 3.4.3 and 3.5 versions will be installed for
> several packages.  How can I prevent that?  Or should I even worry
> about it.  It seems kind of space hogish.

KDE is slotted.  That means that different minor versions will be installed 
side by side.  This is to prevent incompatible KDE programs from trying to 
use older KDE libraries.

Chris White

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