[gentoo-user] links w/o benefit of X

[gentoo-user] links w/o benefit of X

[maxim wexler]

Hello everybody,

On my new setup I'd like to be able to surf the web
using links before I try configuring X and installing
firefox etc. Because my modem is so beastly slow I
dread having to download a bunch of stuff I don't
really need.

But I notice in yahoo when I try to read my mail after
logging into my account I'm bumped to a window that
says my browser is not setup to go to that URL,
something like that. I notice, also that Ctrl-A, X, V
have no effect but I can move between pages using Alt
and the arrow keys. Is there some way to activate
those dead keys without having to install all the
usual X stuff.

-mw

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Re: [gentoo-user] links w/o benefit of X

[Willie Wong]

On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 09:07:07PM -0800, Penguin Lover maxim wexler squawked:
> But I notice in yahoo when I try to read my mail after
> logging into my account I'm bumped to a window that
> says my browser is not setup to go to that URL,

Perhaps it checks for JavaScript? or browser ID string? I don't use
yahoo, so I can't say. 

> something like that. I notice, also that Ctrl-A, X, V
> have no effect but I can move between pages using Alt
> and the arrow keys. Is there some way to activate
> those dead keys without having to install all the
> usual X stuff.

It works on my box. Can you give more info? 

W

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Re: [gentoo-user] links w/o benefit of X

[Holly Bostick]

Willie Wong schreef:
> On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 09:07:07PM -0800, Penguin Lover maxim wexler
> squawked:
> 
>> But I notice in yahoo when I try to read my mail after logging into
>> my account I'm bumped to a window that says my browser is not setup
>> to go to that URL,
> 
> 
> Perhaps it checks for JavaScript? or browser ID string? I don't use 
> yahoo, so I can't say.
> 
> 

No, it's probably checking for the ability to go to an http*s*:// url (a
secure site, which Yahoo!Mail passes through for authentication when
logging you in. I just checked, and when you log in, you go (very
quickly) through an https:// url, then back to the regular http:// Yahoo
site. This occurs even if you use the standard login (as opposed to Secure).

I just compiled links and went to Yahoo!Mail, and saw the same message,
but using the "click here" link took me to my mailbox no problem.

If that does not work for you, here are my USE flags:

emerge -pv links

These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild   R   ] www-client/links-2.1_pre18  +X +directfb +fbcon +gpm
-javascript +jpeg -livecd +png +ssl +svga +tiff +unicode 0 kB


Apparently links does not support automatic redirection (it's a very
simple browser, after all), though perhaps it does with javascript
enabled-- but, no thanks.

> I notice, also that Ctrl-A, X, V have no effect but I can move
> between pages using Alt and the arrow keys. Is there some way to
> activate those dead keys without having to install all the usual X
> stuff.



As for the "dead keys":

links --help
links [options] URL
Options are:

<a whole lotta stuff snipped>
Keys:
        ESC       display menu
        ^C        quit
        ^P        scroll up
        ^N        scroll down
        [, ]      scroll left, right
        up, down  select link
        ->, enter follow link
        <-, z     go back
        g         go to url
        G         go to url based on current url
        ^G        go to url based on current link
        ^R        reload
        /         search
        ?         search back
        n         find next
        N         find previous
        =         document info
        \         document source
        |         HTTP header
        *         toggle displaying of image links (text mode)
        d         download
        s         bookmarks
        q         quit or close current window
        ^X        cut to clipboard
        ^V        paste from clipboard
        ^K        cut line (in textarea) or text to the end (in field)
        ^U        cut all text before cursor
        ^W        autocomplete url
        Alt-1 .. Alt-9
                  switch virtual screens (svgalib and framebuffer)


I don't know what you expect ^A  to do, but ^X and ^V are already
assigned to relatively "standard" functions (at least I associate ^V
with paste; I don't cut much, so ^X means little to me, but yeah, "cut"
sounds about right).

Check the list above for the function that you expect ^A to perform, and
then learn link's key combo for it.

HTH,
Holly


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Re: [gentoo-user] links w/o benefit of X

[Daniel da Veiga]

On 12/10/05, Holly Bostick <motub@planet.nl> wrote:
> Willie Wong schreef:
> > On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 09:07:07PM -0800, Penguin Lover maxim wexler
> > squawked:
> >
> >> But I notice in yahoo when I try to read my mail after logging into
> >> my account I'm bumped to a window that says my browser is not setup
> >> to go to that URL,
> >
> >
> > Perhaps it checks for JavaScript? or browser ID string? I don't use
> > yahoo, so I can't say.
> >
> >
>
> No, it's probably checking for the ability to go to an http*s*:// url (a
> secure site, which Yahoo!Mail passes through for authentication when
> logging you in. I just checked, and when you log in, you go (very
> quickly) through an https:// url, then back to the regular http:// Yahoo
> site. This occurs even if you use the standard login (as opposed to Secure).
>
> I just compiled links and went to Yahoo!Mail, and saw the same message,
> but using the "click here" link took me to my mailbox no problem.
>
> If that does not work for you, here are my USE flags:
>
> emerge -pv links
>
> These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
>
> Calculating dependencies ...done!
> [ebuild   R   ] www-client/links-2.1_pre18  +X +directfb +fbcon +gpm
> -javascript +jpeg -livecd +png +ssl +svga +tiff +unicode 0 kB
>
>
> Apparently links does not support automatic redirection (it's a very
> simple browser, after all), though perhaps it does with javascript
> enabled-- but, no thanks.

I have javascript enabled, and no, it doesn't automatic redirect, I
see it as a feature because I really like to know where I'm going. Of
course its kinda annoying but after all its just a few more <ENTER>s.

>
> > I notice, also that Ctrl-A, X, V have no effect but I can move
> > between pages using Alt and the arrow keys. Is there some way to
> > activate those dead keys without having to install all the usual X
> > stuff.
>
>
>
> As for the "dead keys":
>
> links --help
> links [options] URL
> Options are:
>
> <a whole lotta stuff snipped>
> Keys:
>         ESC       display menu
>         ^C        quit
>         ^P        scroll up
>         ^N        scroll down
>         [, ]      scroll left, right
>         up, down  select link
>         ->, enter follow link
>         <-, z     go back
>         g         go to url
>         G         go to url based on current url
>         ^G        go to url based on current link
>         ^R        reload
>         /         search
>         ?         search back
>         n         find next
>         N         find previous
>         =         document info
>         \         document source
>         |         HTTP header
>         *         toggle displaying of image links (text mode)
>         d         download
>         s         bookmarks
>         q         quit or close current window
>         ^X        cut to clipboard
>         ^V        paste from clipboard
>         ^K        cut line (in textarea) or text to the end (in field)
>         ^U        cut all text before cursor
>         ^W        autocomplete url
>         Alt-1 .. Alt-9
>                   switch virtual screens (svgalib and framebuffer)
>
>
> I don't know what you expect ^A  to do, but ^X and ^V are already
> assigned to relatively "standard" functions (at least I associate ^V
> with paste; I don't cut much, so ^X means little to me, but yeah, "cut"
> sounds about right).
>
> Check the list above for the function that you expect ^A to perform, and
> then learn link's key combo for it.
>
> HTH,
> Holly
>
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] links w/o benefit of X

[Willie Wong]

On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 12:42:58PM +0100, Penguin Lover Holly Bostick squawked:
> No, it's probably checking for the ability to go to an http*s*:// url (a
> secure site, which Yahoo!Mail passes through for authentication when
> logging you in. I just checked, and when you log in, you go (very
> quickly) through an https:// url, then back to the regular http:// Yahoo
> site. This occurs even if you use the standard login (as opposed to Secure).
> 
> I just compiled links and went to Yahoo!Mail, and saw the same message,
> but using the "click here" link took me to my mailbox no problem.
> 
<snip>
> Apparently links does not support automatic redirection (it's a very
> simple browser, after all), though perhaps it does with javascript
> enabled-- but, no thanks.

My guess is that you are right about the javascript. I would think
that links would support automatic redirection in the form of an
HTTP302. 
> 
> > I notice, also that Ctrl-A, X, V have no effect but I can move
> > between pages using Alt and the arrow keys. Is there some way to
> > activate those dead keys without having to install all the usual X
> > stuff.
> 
> I don't know what you expect ^A  to do, but ^X and ^V are already
> assigned to relatively "standard" functions (at least I associate ^V
> with paste; I don't cut much, so ^X means little to me, but yeah, "cut"
> sounds about right).
> 

^A = <HOME> = "Go to the top of the current page" in links-speak. 

Links also supports GPM and console copy-paste, for what it's worth. 

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Re: [gentoo-user] links w/o benefit of X

[maxim wexler]

> 
> > I notice, also that Ctrl-A, X, V have no effect
> but I can move
> > between pages using Alt and the arrow keys. Is
> there some way to
> > activate those dead keys without having to install
> all the usual X
> > stuff.
> 
> 
> 
> As for the "dead keys":
> 
> links --help
> links [options] URL
> Options are:
> 
> <a whole lotta stuff snipped>
> 
> I don't know what you expect ^A  to do, but ^X and

ctrl+a = select all. I'm astonished you didn't know
that. 

> ^V are already
> assigned to relatively "standard" functions (at
> least I associate ^V
> with paste; I don't cut much, so ^X means little to
> me, but yeah, "cut"
> sounds about right).
> 
> Check the list above for the function that you
> expect ^A to perform, and
> then learn link's key combo for it.
> 
> HTH,

Thanks, big help

> Holly
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] links w/o benefit of X

[Mariusz Pękala]

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On 2005-12-10 15:44:34 -0800 (Sat, Dec), maxim wexler wrote:
> > 
> > > I notice, also that Ctrl-A, X, V have no effect but I can move
> > > between pages using Alt and the arrow keys. Is there some way to
> > > activate those dead keys without having to install all the usual X
> > > stuff.
> > 
> > <a whole lotta stuff snipped>
> > 
> > I don't know what you expect ^A  to do, but ^X and
> 
> ctrl+a = select all. I'm astonished you didn't know
> that. 

ctrl+a = move the cursor to the beginning of the line.
I am surprised to hear that someone would assign that old combination to
some 'select all'. Strange idea.

:-))))))))))

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Re: [gentoo-user] links w/o benefit of X

[maxim wexler]

> 
> ctrl+a = move the cursor to the beginning of the
> line.
> I am surprised to hear that someone would assign
> that old combination to
> some 'select all'. Strange idea.
> 

Old? In firefox, v1.07, Edit->Select All Ctrl+A

> :-))))))))))
> 
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>
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> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] links w/o benefit of X

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Wednesday 14 December 2005 10:09 am, maxim wexler wrote:
> > ctrl+a = move the cursor to the beginning of the
> > line.
> > I am surprised to hear that someone would assign
> > that old combination to
> > some 'select all'. Strange idea.
>
> Old? In firefox, v1.07, Edit->Select All Ctrl+A

Ctrl-A has been 'Beginning of Line' in emacs (and bash's emacs mode) 
since I've been using them.  I don't remember Ctrl-A being 'Select All' 
until Aug '95.

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Re: [gentoo-user] links w/o benefit of X

[maxim wexler]

--- Willie Wong <wwong@Princeton.EDU> wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 09:07:07PM -0800, Penguin
> Lover maxim wexler squawked:
> > But I notice in yahoo when I try to read my mail
> after
> > logging into my account I'm bumped to a window
> that
> > says my browser is not setup to go to that URL,
> 
> Perhaps it checks for JavaScript? or browser ID
> string? I don't use
> yahoo, so I can't say. 
> 
> > something like that. I notice, also that Ctrl-A,
> X, V
> > have no effect but I can move between pages using
> Alt
> > and the arrow keys. Is there some way to activate
> > those dead keys without having to install all the
> > usual X stuff.
> 
> It works on my box. Can you give more info? 

Well, emerge -pv links reveals that -javascript was
used. I'll do it again, this time preceded by
USE="javascript" and report back if that fails.

BTW, same problem w/ my gmail acct.

And what is "ssl negotiation"? this flashes by before
being bumped back to the sign in page. +ssl is being
used according to emerge -pv links. 


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Re: [gentoo-user] links w/o benefit of X

[Willie Wong]

On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 09:21:02PM -0800, Penguin Lover maxim wexler squawked:
> > > something like that. I notice, also that Ctrl-A,
> > X, V
> > > have no effect but I can move between pages using
> > Alt
> > > and the arrow keys. Is there some way to activate
> > > those dead keys without having to install all the
> > > usual X stuff.
> > 
> > It works on my box. Can you give more info? 
> 
> Well, emerge -pv links reveals that -javascript was
> used. I'll do it again, this time preceded by
> USE="javascript" and report back if that fails.
> 
> BTW, same problem w/ my gmail acct.

in my experience, gmail degrades really well with browsers. I was
pleasantly surprised that it works with both links and lynx (of
course, links presented a much better layout). 

My working copy of links:

[12:48 AM]wwong ~ $ emerge -pv links

These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild     U ] www-client/links-2.1_pre19 [2.1_pre18] +X -directfb -fbcon +gpm -javascript +jpeg -livecd +png +ssl +svga +tiff +unicode 3,754 kB 

Hum, I might have figured out what your problem is. 

I just tried to access YahooGroups with my account, and like you, after 
loggin in, it tells me that the refresh doesn't work, and bumps me to
the front page. 

But if I hit ^R to reload the front page, it now shows me as logged in.
I think the problem is that the websites are sending refresh command that
links doesn't understand. And when you manually try to click the link
given, it assumes it was the same page (same address, you visited just
10 seconds ago), so loads it from cache. 

HTH, 

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Re: [gentoo-user] links w/o benefit of X

[Daniel da Veiga]

On 12/13/05, Willie Wong <wwong@princeton.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 09:21:02PM -0800, Penguin Lover maxim wexler squawked:
> > > > something like that. I notice, also that Ctrl-A,
> > > X, V
> > > > have no effect but I can move between pages using
> > > Alt
> > > > and the arrow keys. Is there some way to activate
> > > > those dead keys without having to install all the
> > > > usual X stuff.
> > >
> > > It works on my box. Can you give more info?
> >
> > Well, emerge -pv links reveals that -javascript was
> > used. I'll do it again, this time preceded by
> > USE="javascript" and report back if that fails.
> >
> > BTW, same problem w/ my gmail acct.
>
> in my experience, gmail degrades really well with browsers. I was
> pleasantly surprised that it works with both links and lynx (of
> course, links presented a much better layout).
>
> My working copy of links:
>
> [12:48 AM]wwong ~ $ emerge -pv links
>
> These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
>
> Calculating dependencies ...done!
> [ebuild     U ] www-client/links-2.1_pre19 [2.1_pre18] +X -directfb -fbcon +gpm -javascript +jpeg -livecd +png +ssl +svga +tiff +unicode 3,754 kB
>
> Hum, I might have figured out what your problem is.
>
> I just tried to access YahooGroups with my account, and like you, after
> loggin in, it tells me that the refresh doesn't work, and bumps me to
> the front page.
>
> But if I hit ^R to reload the front page, it now shows me as logged in.
> I think the problem is that the websites are sending refresh command that
> links doesn't understand. And when you manually try to click the link
> given, it assumes it was the same page (same address, you visited just
> 10 seconds ago), so loads it from cache.
>

This is caused by the way links uses its cache, check the "Setup ->
Cache" option, change the "Number of formatted documents" to "0" and
disable "Agressive cache", it should now refresh the page correctly. I
tested it with a PHP silent script with header redirection, it worked
at the first try, the second and subsequents failed, after setting
Cache, it started working everytime.

> HTH,
>
> W
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> and I know Dr. Pearshall won't mind, because she is
> British.
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Re: [gentoo-user] links w/o benefit of X

[maxim wexler]

> 
> This is caused by the way links uses its cache,
> check the "Setup ->
> Cache" option, change the "Number of formatted
> documents" to "0" and
> disable "Agressive cache", it should now refresh the
> page correctly. I
> tested it with a PHP silent script with header
> redirection, it worked
> at the first try, the second and subsequents failed,
> after setting
> Cache, it started working everytime.

Doesn't work here.

> 
> > HTH,
> >
> > W
> > --
> > I always took a cup of tea with me to chemistry
> class,
> > and I know Dr. Pearshall won't mind, because she
> is
> > British.
> >    ~S
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> >
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] links w/o benefit of X

[maxim wexler]

> I just tried to access YahooGroups with my account,
> and like you, after 
> loggin in, it tells me that the refresh doesn't
> work, and bumps me to
> the front page. 
> 
> But if I hit ^R to reload the front page, it now
> shows me as logged in.
> I think the problem is that the websites are sending
> refresh command that
> links doesn't understand. And when you manually try
> to click the link
> given, it assumes it was the same page (same
> address, you visited just
> 10 seconds ago), so loads it from cache. 

^R doesn't work. Neither does links
--enable-javascript.

> 
> HTH, 
> 
> W
> -- 
> I always took a cup of tea with me to chemistry
> class, 
> and I know Dr. Pearshall won't mind, because she is 
> British.
>    ~S
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Re: [gentoo-user] links w/o benefit of X

[Daniel da Veiga]

On 12/13/05, maxim wexler <blissfix@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> > I just tried to access YahooGroups with my account,
> > and like you, after
> > loggin in, it tells me that the refresh doesn't
> > work, and bumps me to
> > the front page.
> >
> > But if I hit ^R to reload the front page, it now
> > shows me as logged in.
> > I think the problem is that the websites are sending
> > refresh command that
> > links doesn't understand. And when you manually try
> > to click the link
> > given, it assumes it was the same page (same
> > address, you visited just
> > 10 seconds ago), so loads it from cache.
>
> ^R doesn't work. Neither does links
> --enable-javascript.
>

Javascript is compiled in with USE="javascript"...

> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > W
> > --
> > I always took a cup of tea with me to chemistry
> > class,
> > and I know Dr. Pearshall won't mind, because she is
> > British.
> >    ~S
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> >
> >
>
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