From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EdtOM-0000xG-26 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:54:18 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jAKHrPbT000922; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:53:25 GMT Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.198.54]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAKHnWU0005443 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:49:33 GMT Received: from spinner (pcp09717955pcs.brlngt01.nj.comcast.net[68.37.116.95]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with ESMTP id <2005112017493101400p4q9ue>; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:49:31 +0000 From: Jerry McBride Organization: TEAM-GENTOO To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] regarding PAM [WAS: root password gremlin] Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:50:43 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: <20051117203328.73680.qmail@web25601.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <43807EF4.9070803@buanzo.com.ar> <200511201624.56090.volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> In-Reply-To: <200511201624.56090.volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511201750.44421.mcbrides9@comcast.net> X-Archives-Salt: dfa1bb85-d611-4492-a51f-029b1d976233 X-Archives-Hash: eb931818a755c12ba91a0f1483ab8af8 On Sunday 20 November 2005 15:24, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: > On Sunday 20 November 2005 14:49, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman wrote: > > Alexander Skwar wrote: > > > Optional things aren't standard. They are > > > optional. PAM is optional. You don't need > > > it - at least not for basic setups. > > > > It is NOW optional. I'm sure this will change, that's why I recommend to > > try it now that there is time to still enhance it LOTS. > > well, > pam is buggy (ever logged out because of a X crash and not able to play any > sounds anymore? That was pam) > pam has a long history of security problems > pam is not easy to configure and error prone. > every added layer adds to the risks. > > All that I read said, that pam was a temporary solution some years ago - > and that the chances are big that it will fade into obscurity in the next > ones. > > For single-user setups it is as needed as a wart. > Bingo... I manage a herd of laptops... well... I'm done from 100 to 22... but PAM isn't on a single one of them and life hasn't been happier. :') > I am angry with myself, that I installed it, without thinking. > Learning? Where? And why? Most setups don't need it. And the ones that need > some more complex authentification, can get it in other ways. -- ****************************************************************************** Registered Linux User Number 185956 FSF Associate Member number 2340 since 05/20/2004 Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net Buy an Xbox for $149.00, run linux on it and Microsoft loses $150.00! 12:51pm up 63 days, 4:16, 3 users, load average: 3.12, 3.06, 3.01 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list