[gentoo-user] Developmnet Environment for PHP and PERL

[gentoo-user] Developmnet Environment for PHP and PERL

[Michael Shaw]

What editor do people use for PHP and Perl development.  I'm looking for 
something with syntax highlighting and such, so that rules ut vi or gedit.

Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [gentoo-user] Developmnet Environment for PHP and PERL

[John Jolet]

On Tuesday 08 November 2005 12:33, Michael Shaw wrote:
> What editor do people use for PHP and Perl development.  I'm looking for
> something with syntax highlighting and such, so that rules ut vi or gedit.
acutally, vim will do php and perl syntax highlighting.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike

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Re: [gentoo-user] Developmnet Environment for PHP and PERL

[Catalin Trifu]

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    vim rulez! My personal opinion is that vim is the best, with an 
assortment
of carefully chosen plugins is perfect. takes some time to learn it though.

Catalin

Michael Shaw wrote:

> What editor do people use for PHP and Perl development.  I'm looking 
> for something with syntax highlighting and such, so that rules ut vi 
> or gedit.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike


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Re: [gentoo-user] Developmnet Environment for PHP and PERL

[Billy Holmes]

Michael Shaw wrote:
> What editor do people use for PHP and Perl development.  I'm looking for 
> something with syntax highlighting and such, so that rules ut vi or gedit.

I use vim. it highlights and can auto indent. perfect for me!
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Re: [gentoo-user] Developmnet Environment for PHP and PERL

[A. Khattri]

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, Michael Shaw wrote:

> What editor do people use for PHP and Perl development.  I'm looking for
> something with syntax highlighting and such, so that rules ut vi or gedit.

Not true - maybe your terminal doesn't do color or you have it switched
off?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Developmnet Environment for PHP and PERL

[b.n.]

If you want something easy, gui-based and cool, try Kate. It's a cool, 
advanced KDE-based editor.

m.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Developmnet Environment for PHP and PERL

[Stuart Herbert]

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Hi,

On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 10:33 -0800, Michael Shaw wrote:
> What editor do people use for PHP and Perl development.  I'm looking for 
> something with syntax highlighting and such, so that rules ut vi or gedit.
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike

I used the php-mode for emacs when I co-wrote the Zend Certification
Study Guide.  Unlike vim, emacs actually parses and understands the code
it's editing; this makes the syntax highlighting and indentation support
much more flexible and accurate.  I'd go as far as saying that the
auto-indentation support for php-mode for emacs is by far the best I've
worked with to date.

Today, I use the phpEclipse plugin for Eclipse 3.0.  I'm very happy with
this.  Performance is very good, the object browser works better than
php-mode for Emacs did, and it's very useful indeed to be able to search
all the files of a project from within the editor.  There's also the
advantage of being able to use other Eclipse plugins, such as support
for subversion.  phpEclipse is my main environment, which I use a good
8-10 hours in a working day.

I tried Zend Studio about 18 months ago, but didn't like it.  I found
the performance was too slow (hate using software that can't keep up
with my typing!), auto-indenting was inflexible (and I couldn't convince
Zeev why that mattered :(, there was no subversion support, and no
anti-aliased font support (tiring on the eyes when your main machine is
a laptop).  I haven't tried Zend Studio 4, and have no idea whether it
has improved in any of these areas or not.

Can't comment on a good environment for perl.  Last time I used perl
seriously was in '96.  Things have changed a lot since then.

Hope that helps,
Stu
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Re: [gentoo-user] Developmnet Environment for PHP and PERL

[Michael Shaw]

A. Khattri wrote:

>On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, Michael Shaw wrote:
>
>  
>
>>What editor do people use for PHP and Perl development.  I'm looking for
>>something with syntax highlighting and such, so that rules ut vi or gedit.
>>    
>>
>
>Not true - maybe your terminal doesn't do color or you have it switched
>off?
>
>
>  
>
Well, my terminal does have some color, but not syntax hilighting from 
within VIM.  How would I changes this?  I actually don't mind VIM, as it 
is quite straightforward.  If syntax hilighting worked, then I'd 
probably use it.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Developmnet Environment for PHP and PERL

[Michael Shaw]

Stuart Herbert wrote:

>Hi,
>
>On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 10:33 -0800, Michael Shaw wrote:
>  
>
>>What editor do people use for PHP and Perl development.  I'm looking for 
>>something with syntax highlighting and such, so that rules ut vi or gedit.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Mike
>>    
>>
>
>I used the php-mode for emacs when I co-wrote the Zend Certification
>Study Guide.  Unlike vim, emacs actually parses and understands the code
>it's editing; this makes the syntax highlighting and indentation support
>much more flexible and accurate.  I'd go as far as saying that the
>auto-indentation support for php-mode for emacs is by far the best I've
>worked with to date.
>
>Today, I use the phpEclipse plugin for Eclipse 3.0.  I'm very happy with
>this.  Performance is very good, the object browser works better than
>php-mode for Emacs did, and it's very useful indeed to be able to search
>all the files of a project from within the editor.  There's also the
>advantage of being able to use other Eclipse plugins, such as support
>for subversion.  phpEclipse is my main environment, which I use a good
>8-10 hours in a working day.
>
>I tried Zend Studio about 18 months ago, but didn't like it.  I found
>the performance was too slow (hate using software that can't keep up
>with my typing!), auto-indenting was inflexible (and I couldn't convince
>Zeev why that mattered :(, there was no subversion support, and no
>anti-aliased font support (tiring on the eyes when your main machine is
>a laptop).  I haven't tried Zend Studio 4, and have no idea whether it
>has improved in any of these areas or not.
>
>Can't comment on a good environment for perl.  Last time I used perl
>seriously was in '96.  Things have changed a lot since then.
>
>Hope that helps,
>Stu
>  
>
I'll try phpEclipse.  I'll peruse the wiki to see if I can get it set up.

Thanks.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Developmnet Environment for PHP and PERL

[Renat Golubchyk]

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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 14:25:05 -0800 Michael Shaw <mshaw@dowco.com> wrote:
> A. Khattri wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, Michael Shaw wrote:
> Well, my terminal does have some color, but not syntax hilighting
> from within VIM.  How would I changes this?  I actually don't mind
> VIM, as it is quite straightforward.  If syntax hilighting worked,
> then I'd probably use it.

"syntax on" within vim or in your .vimrc
"filetype plugin indent on" would enable filetype-specific settings.
Google for some example .vimrc files. VIM is actually very flexible ;-)
One pretty complex but commented example is Ciaran's. You can find it
at http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm/configs/vimrc

If vim (or gvim) is not enough check out Quanta (for php development):
http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/


Cheers,
Renat

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Re: [gentoo-user] Developmnet Environment for PHP and PERL

[Thomas Tuttle]

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On November 08 at 13:33 EST, Michael Shaw hastily scribbled:
> What editor do people use for PHP and Perl development.  I'm looking for 
> something with syntax highlighting and such, so that rules ut vi or gedit.
I can offer three suggestions:

1. vim.  If you set it up right (just a few lines in ~/.vimrc), it will
do syntax highlighting properly.

2. jedit.  It's java-based, but relatively light, supports many file
types (although it is a tad Java-centric), and has good plugins.

3. bluefish.  It's not language-centric, but I *think* it has PHP
support (I might be wrong), and it's a good "web development" editor.

Hope this helps.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Developmnet Environment for PHP and PERL

[gentuxx]

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Michael Shaw wrote:

> What editor do people use for PHP and Perl development. I'm looking
> for something with syntax highlighting and such, so that rules ut vi
> or gedit.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike

I seems like you've got a lot of good suggestions here, so I'll just
throw my 2¢ out into the pot too!

For perl, I use vim for quick edits and kate for larger projects.  It
doesn't auto-tab the way I think it should, but that's probably just a
configuration that I haven't given it yet.  ;-)

I like bluefish for HTML|PHP|CSS, but the CSS and PHP colorization is
a little jumpy.  Sometimes it'll do it, sometime it won't.  So then I
started using gphpedit for JUST PHP.  bluefish is nice for (X)?HTML,
and OK for CSS, but more often than not, I find myself comfy with PHP
and CSS in gphpedit.

I might have to look into eclipse though.....that sounds interesting.
And I worked with emacs while I was working on some documentation for
the Fedora Documentation Project, I could probably handle that if the
plug-ins worked right.

Anyway, my top pick for perl is kate, for PHP is gPHPEdit.

Cheers!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Developmnet Environment for PHP and PERL

[Michael Shaw]

Renat Golubchyk wrote:

>On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 14:25:05 -0800 Michael Shaw <mshaw@dowco.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>A. Khattri wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, Michael Shaw wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>Well, my terminal does have some color, but not syntax hilighting
>>from within VIM.  How would I changes this?  I actually don't mind
>>VIM, as it is quite straightforward.  If syntax hilighting worked,
>>then I'd probably use it.
>>    
>>
>
>"syntax on" within vim or in your .vimrc
>"filetype plugin indent on" would enable filetype-specific settings.
>Google for some example .vimrc files. VIM is actually very flexible ;-)
>One pretty complex but commented example is Ciaran's. You can find it
>at http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm/configs/vimrc
>
>If vim (or gvim) is not enough check out Quanta (for php development):
>http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/
>
>
>Cheers,
>Renat
>
>  
>
Thanks you for your advice.  I'l see if I can get VIM to work for me.

Mike
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Re: [gentoo-user] Developmnet Environment for PHP and PERL

[Michael Shaw]

gentuxx wrote:

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>Michael Shaw wrote:
>
>  
>
>>What editor do people use for PHP and Perl development. I'm looking
>>for something with syntax highlighting and such, so that rules ut vi
>>or gedit.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Mike
>>    
>>
>
>I seems like you've got a lot of good suggestions here, so I'll just
>throw my 2¢ out into the pot too!
>
>For perl, I use vim for quick edits and kate for larger projects.  It
>doesn't auto-tab the way I think it should, but that's probably just a
>configuration that I haven't given it yet.  ;-)
>
>I like bluefish for HTML|PHP|CSS, but the CSS and PHP colorization is
>a little jumpy.  Sometimes it'll do it, sometime it won't.  So then I
>started using gphpedit for JUST PHP.  bluefish is nice for (X)?HTML,
>and OK for CSS, but more often than not, I find myself comfy with PHP
>and CSS in gphpedit.
>
>I might have to look into eclipse though.....that sounds interesting.
>And I worked with emacs while I was working on some documentation for
>the Fedora Documentation Project, I could probably handle that if the
>plug-ins worked right.
>
>Anyway, my top pick for perl is kate, for PHP is gPHPEdit.
>
>Cheers!
>
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I found Bluefish, but the syntax hilighting didn't work.  gPHPEdit looks 
good.  I'll give it a try.  Even if only for syntext hilighting.

Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [gentoo-user] Developmnet Environment for PHP and PERL

[Heinz Sporn]

Am Dienstag, den 08.11.2005, 19:07 -0500 schrieb Thomas Tuttle:
> On November 08 at 13:33 EST, Michael Shaw hastily scribbled:
> > What editor do people use for PHP and Perl development.  I'm looking for 
> > something with syntax highlighting and such, so that rules ut vi or gedit.
> I can offer three suggestions:
> 
> 1. vim.  If you set it up right (just a few lines in ~/.vimrc), it will
> do syntax highlighting properly.
> 
> 2. jedit.  It's java-based, but relatively light, supports many file
> types (although it is a tad Java-centric), and has good plugins.

Want to second jEdit for it's platform independency and many nice
plugins.

> 
> 3. bluefish.  It's not language-centric, but I *think* it has PHP
> support (I might be wrong), and it's a good "web development" editor.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Developmnet Environment for PHP and PERL

[Michael Shaw]

Heinz Sporn wrote:

>Am Dienstag, den 08.11.2005, 19:07 -0500 schrieb Thomas Tuttle:
>  
>
>>On November 08 at 13:33 EST, Michael Shaw hastily scribbled:
>>    
>>
>>>What editor do people use for PHP and Perl development.  I'm looking for 
>>>something with syntax highlighting and such, so that rules ut vi or gedit.
>>>      
>>>
>>I can offer three suggestions:
>>
>>1. vim.  If you set it up right (just a few lines in ~/.vimrc), it will
>>do syntax highlighting properly.
>>
>>2. jedit.  It's java-based, but relatively light, supports many file
>>types (although it is a tad Java-centric), and has good plugins.
>>    
>>
>
>Want to second jEdit for it's platform independency and many nice
>plugins.
>
>  
>
>>3. bluefish.  It's not language-centric, but I *think* it has PHP
>>support (I might be wrong), and it's a good "web development" editor.
>>
>>Hope this helps.
>>
>>    
>>
Alright, I'll give jEdit a try to.  Thanks to everyone for all their 
suggestions.

Mike
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Re: [gentoo-user] Developmnet Environment for PHP and PERL

[Stoian Ivanov]

On Wednesday 09 November 2005 05:21, Michael Shaw wrote:
> gentuxx wrote:
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> >
> >Michael Shaw wrote:
> >>What editor do people use for PHP and Perl development. I'm looking
> >>for something with syntax highlighting and such, so that rules ut vi
> >>or gedit.
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>Mike
> >
> >I seems like you've got a lot of good suggestions here, so I'll just
> >throw my 2¢ out into the pot too!
> >
> >For perl, I use vim for quick edits and kate for larger projects.  It
> >doesn't auto-tab the way I think it should, but that's probably just a
> >configuration that I haven't given it yet.  ;-)
> >
> >I like bluefish for HTML|PHP|CSS, but the CSS and PHP colorization is
> >a little jumpy.  Sometimes it'll do it, sometime it won't.  So then I
> >started using gphpedit for JUST PHP.  bluefish is nice for (X)?HTML,
> >and OK for CSS, but more often than not, I find myself comfy with PHP
> >and CSS in gphpedit.
> >
> >I might have to look into eclipse though.....that sounds interesting.
> >And I worked with emacs while I was working on some documentation for
> >the Fedora Documentation Project, I could probably handle that if the
> >plug-ins worked right.
> >
> >Anyway, my top pick for perl is kate, for PHP is gPHPEdit.
> >
> >Cheers!
> >
> >- --
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> I found Bluefish, but the syntax hilighting didn't work.  gPHPEdit looks
> good.  I'll give it a try.  Even if only for syntext hilighting.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike

>From the free/open editors Quanta is the one that suits me best. The gratest 
editor ever tried is Zend's IDE. This is for writing HTML/PHP, I don't do 
Perl

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Re: [gentoo-user] Developmnet Environment for PHP and PERL

[Michael Crute]

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On 11/8/05, Michael Shaw <mshaw@dowco.com> wrote:
>
> What editor do people use for PHP and Perl development. I'm looking for
> something with syntax highlighting and such, so that rules ut vi or gedit.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
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>
>
Eclipse is the ultimate IDE from my perspective. I am running 3.1 with
Pydev[1], Colorer[2], Web Standards Tools[3], C++[4], EPIC (Perl)[5], and
PHPEclipse[6] which lets me do just about everything. The only thing with
Eclipse (and it may just be me) is that there seems to be a bit of learning
involved to figure out what it means by perspectives and natures and such,
after that its the best IDE I have ever used.

[1] http://pydev.sourceforge.net/
[2] http://colorer.sourceforge.net/
[3] http://eclipse.org/webtools/wst/main.xml
[4] http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/
[5] http://e-p-i-c.sourceforge.net/
[6] http://www.phpeclipse.de/tiki-view_articles.php

-Mike

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Re: [gentoo-user] Developmnet Environment for PHP and PERL

[A. Khattri]

On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Renat Golubchyk wrote:

> "syntax on" within vim or in your .vimrc

That would be ":syntax on" (note leading colon) from inside vim.


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