[gentoo-user] Leery of Gnome dependencies for Openoffice

[gentoo-user] Leery of Gnome dependencies for Openoffice

[John J. Foster]

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Good morning all,

I've been running the binary versions of oo for about three months now,
while waiting for v2.0 to become stable. It looks pretty close to me.
I'd very much like to run the regular build procedures, but am quite
worried about what the pulling in of Gnome dependencies will do do my
stable KDE system. About six months ago I installed whatever version of
the Gnome desktop that was stable then, but ended up spending 3 or 4
days trying to remove all remnants of it after I decided that I didn't
really like it that well.

Am I being overly concerned here, or are that legitimate problems I may
encounter?

Thanks,
John
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Re: [gentoo-user] Leery of Gnome dependencies for Openoffice

[Holly Bostick]

John J. Foster schreef:
> Good morning all,
> 
> I've been running the binary versions of oo for about three months 
> now, while waiting for v2.0 to become stable. It looks pretty close 
> to me. I'd very much like to run the regular build procedures, but am
>  quite worried about what the pulling in of Gnome dependencies will 
> do do my stable KDE system. About six months ago I installed whatever
>  version of the Gnome desktop that was stable then, but ended up 
> spending 3 or 4 days trying to remove all remnants of it after I 
> decided that I didn't really like it that well.
> 
> Am I being overly concerned here, or are that legitimate problems I 
> may encounter?

Does offering to compile -gnome make any difference to the proposed build?

 ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge -pv openoffice

These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating dependencies ...done!
[blocks B     ] app-office/openoffice-bin (is blocking
app-office/openoffice-2.0.0)
[ebuild  N    ] sys-libs/pam-0.78-r2  -berkdb -nis -pam_chroot
-pam_console -pam_timestamp -pwdb (-selinux) 562 kB
[ebuild  N    ] dev-perl/Archive-Zip-1.16  108 kB
[ebuild  N    ] dev-java/ant-core-1.6.5-r2  -doc -source 6,136 kB
[ebuild  N    ] app-shells/tcsh-6.14-r1  +perl 859 kB
[ebuild  N    ] app-office/openoffice-2.0.0  +curl -eds *+gnome* +java
-kde +ldap -mozilla +nas +python +xml2 +zlib 209,311 kB

I use the -bin, as you can see, and I don't really use ACCEPT_KEYWORDS
on the command line (because that's A Bad Thing), but I just wanted to
quickly see if the 2.0 version of openoffice had a +gnome keyword, and
it does (the stable version doesn't).

That said, I don't see what the GNOME libs are likely to 'do' to your
KDE system-- more likely less damage than the KDE libs generally do to my
mostly-GNOME based system, and much less damage than the proposed
addition of PAM does to almost any system, ime. What exactly are you worried
might happen?

Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] Leery of Gnome dependencies for Openoffice

[b.n.]

> I'd very much like to run the regular build procedures, but am quite
> worried about what the pulling in of Gnome dependencies will do do my
> stable KDE system. About six months ago I installed whatever version of
> the Gnome desktop that was stable then, but ended up spending 3 or 4
> days trying to remove all remnants of it after I decided that I didn't
> really like it that well.
> 
> Am I being overly concerned here, or are that legitimate problems I may
> encounter?

I don't know what do you mean. Why should installing Gnome dependencies 
make your KDE desktop unstable?

By the way,I didn't know OO.org 2.0 needs Gnome... why? And can putting 
a USE="-gnome" flag help?

m.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Leery of Gnome dependencies for Openoffice

[Peter Ruskin]

On Friday 21 October 2005 15:14, Holly Bostick wrote:
> Does offering to compile -gnome make any difference to the
> proposed build?
>
>  ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge -pv openoffice
>
> These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
>
> Calculating dependencies ...done!
> [blocks B     ] app-office/openoffice-bin (is blocking
> app-office/openoffice-2.0.0)
> [ebuild  N    ] sys-libs/pam-0.78-r2  -berkdb -nis -pam_chroot
> -pam_console -pam_timestamp -pwdb (-selinux) 562 kB
> [ebuild  N    ] dev-perl/Archive-Zip-1.16  108 kB
> [ebuild  N    ] dev-java/ant-core-1.6.5-r2  -doc -source 6,136 kB
> [ebuild  N    ] app-shells/tcsh-6.14-r1  +perl 859 kB
> [ebuild  N    ] app-office/openoffice-2.0.0  +curl -eds *+gnome*
> +java -kde +ldap -mozilla +nas +python +xml2 +zlib 209,311 kB

$ emerge openoffice-bin -vp

These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild   R   ] app-office/openoffice-bin-2.0.0  -gnome +java +kde 0 
kB

Total size of downloads: 0 kB

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Re: [gentoo-user] Leery of Gnome dependencies for Openoffice

[Peter Ruskin]

On Friday 21 October 2005 15:14, Holly Bostick wrote:
>  and much less damage than the proposed
> addition of PAM does to almost any system, ime.

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71898 shows how to avoid PAM 
for OpenOffice.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Leery of Gnome dependencies for Openoffice

[Richard Fish]

b.n. wrote:

>> I'd very much like to run the regular build procedures, but am quite
>> worried about what the pulling in of Gnome dependencies will do do my
>> stable KDE system. About six months ago I installed whatever version of
>> the Gnome desktop that was stable then, but ended up spending 3 or 4
>> days trying to remove all remnants of it after I decided that I didn't
>> really like it that well.
>>
>> Am I being overly concerned here, or are that legitimate problems I may
>> encounter?
>
>
> I don't know what do you mean. Why should installing Gnome 
> dependencies make your KDE desktop unstable?
>
> By the way,I didn't know OO.org 2.0 needs Gnome... why? And can 
> putting a USE="-gnome" flag help?


OOo2 can render itself using native Gnome, KDE, or its own internal 
widget library.  If compiled with support for both, it will detect if it 
is running under KDE or Gnome at startup, and load the appropriate 
library for rendering.  Personally, I think it is a damn cool feature!

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] Leery of Gnome dependencies for Openoffice

[Mark Shields]

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So... this is just a case of this ebuild having a default setting of the
gnome USE flag turned on.

On 10/21/05, Richard Fish <bigfish@asmallpond.org> wrote:
>
> b.n. wrote:
>
> >> I'd very much like to run the regular build procedures, but am quite
> >> worried about what the pulling in of Gnome dependencies will do do my
> >> stable KDE system. About six months ago I installed whatever version of
> >> the Gnome desktop that was stable then, but ended up spending 3 or 4
> >> days trying to remove all remnants of it after I decided that I didn't
> >> really like it that well.
> >>
> >> Am I being overly concerned here, or are that legitimate problems I may
> >> encounter?
> >
> >
> > I don't know what do you mean. Why should installing Gnome
> > dependencies make your KDE desktop unstable?
> >
> > By the way,I didn't know OO.org 2.0 needs Gnome... why? And can
> > putting a USE="-gnome" flag help?
>
>
> OOo2 can render itself using native Gnome, KDE, or its own internal
> widget library. If compiled with support for both, it will detect if it
> is running under KDE or Gnome at startup, and load the appropriate
> library for rendering. Personally, I think it is a damn cool feature!
>
> -Richard
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] Leery of Gnome dependencies for Openoffice

[Richard Fish]

Mark Shields wrote:

> So... this is just a case of this ebuild having a default setting of 
> the gnome USE flag turned on.
>
>

Well, I just emerged openoffice today (had been using the -bin).  I 
found you also have to turn off the eds use flag if you really want to 
avoid any gnome dependancies.  With eds, OOo can use the 
evolution-data-server as an address book source, but it pulls in a bunch 
of gnome dependancies to do that:

carcharias linux # USE=eds emerge -Dv --pretend openoffice
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild  N    ] net-libs/libsoup-2.2.6.1  -debug +doc +ssl -static 420 kB
[ebuild  N    ] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.10.1  -debug +doc -static 1,326 kB
[ebuild  N    ] gnome-base/gconf-2.12.0  -debug +doc -static 1,855 kB
[ebuild  N    ] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.4.2  -debug 829 kB
[ebuild     U ] gnome-base/orbit-2.12.4 [2.12.2] -debug +doc* +ssl 
-static 661 kB
[ebuild  N    ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.12.1.1  -debug +doc -gnutls -hal 
-howl +ipv6 +samba +ssl 1,686 kB
[ebuild  N    ] gnome-base/libgnome-2.12.0.1  -debug +doc -esd -static 
932 kB
[ebuild  N    ] dev-libs/nspr-4.4.1-r2  1,293 kB
[ebuild  N    ] dev-libs/nss-3.9.2-r3  4,623 kB
[ebuild  N    ] gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.12.0  +X -debug +doc -static 
576 kB
[ebuild  N    ] gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.10.1-r1  +X -debug +doc -static 
863 kB
[ebuild  N    ] gnome-base/gnome-keyring-0.4.5  -debug 367 kB
[ebuild  N    ] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.12.0  -debug +doc +jpeg -static 
1,788 kB
[ebuild  N    ] gnome-extra/evolution-data-server-1.4.1  -debug +doc 
+ipv6 -kerberos -krb4 -ldap -mozilla -nntp +ssl -static 13,843 kB
[ebuild   R   ] app-office/openoffice-2.0.0  +curl +eds* -gnome -java 
+kde -ldap -mozilla -nas +xml2 +zlib 0 kB
[ebuild  N    ] x11-themes/hicolor-icon-theme-0.8  30 kB
[ebuild  N    ] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-2.12.1  -debug 3,040 kB
[ebuild  N    ] x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.12.1  -accessibility -debug 
2,501 kB

carcharias linux # USE="gnome" emerge -Dv --pretend openoffice
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild  N    ] gnome-base/gconf-2.12.0  -debug +doc -static 1,855 kB
[ebuild  N    ] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.4.2  -debug 829 kB
[ebuild  N    ] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.10.1  -debug +doc -static 1,326 kB
[ebuild     U ] gnome-base/orbit-2.12.4 [2.12.2] -debug +doc* +ssl 
-static 661 kB
[ebuild  N    ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.12.1.1  -debug +doc -gnutls -hal 
-howl +ipv6 +samba +ssl 1,686 kB
[ebuild   R   ] app-office/openoffice-2.0.0  +curl -eds +gnome* -java 
+kde -ldap -mozilla -nas +xml2 +zlib 0 kB

You actually get _fewer_ Gnome dependancies from +gnome than you do from 
+eds!

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] Leery of Gnome dependencies for Openoffice

[John J. Foster]

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On Sat, Oct 22, 2005 at 12:58:30AM -0700, Richard Fish wrote:
> 
> Well, I just emerged openoffice today (had been using the -bin).  I 
> found you also have to turn off the eds use flag if you really want to 
> avoid any gnome dependancies.  With eds, OOo can use the 
> evolution-data-server as an address book source, but it pulls in a bunch 
> of gnome dependancies to do that:
> 
Last night I remembered that eds flag being mentioned a while back. As
soon as I added -eds and -mozilla to package.use, the install was more
along the lines of what I had hoped for as far a dependencies. The 7 hour
compile is a different story. Thankfully, I was required to sleep for 9.

John
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