On October 21, 2005 02:30 pm, Allan Spagnol Comar wrote: > sorry by the way I put it Jeff.... I got to angry when All my > services stop working after an ( what should be simple ) update > ..... Allan ,don't get me wrong - I"m not trying to "pin" you, I just want to point out that computers and software tend to fail, so whenever you're updating/upgrading one or the other you *have to* have backup plan. In most scenarios having production machine means that you *have to* have development machine working in parallel (ideally identical to production machine in all respects) - any changes to production machine should be tried/tested on development machine first. Being sysadmin for about 7 years now I know that things do happen and you have to be ready/prepeared for everything. Another point is to go with the "lowest resistance" path - update only GLSA's and do full-blown upgrades only when you plan them carefully and test'em out on development box. -- Dmitry Makovey Web Systems Administrator Athabasca University http://www.athabascau.ca http://www.makovey.net