From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ED8fG-00008j-3c for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 22:45:10 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j87Megbp001417; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:40:42 GMT Received: from Princeton.EDU (postoffice01.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.75]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j87Mau92002928 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:36:56 GMT Received: from smtpserver2.Princeton.EDU (smtpserver2.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.148]) by Princeton.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j87MeUJm027986 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sep.dynalias.net (fez.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.190]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpserver2.Princeton.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j87MeUt1007266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sep.dynalias.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BF6705FBA8F; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:40:56 -0400 From: Willie Wong To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 4gb mpeg to 100mb xvid? Message-ID: <20050907224056.GB6379@princeton.edu> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <431F2F1D.9030308@buanzo.com.ar> <431F32BC.8040909@planet.nl> <431F34E1.20902@buanzo.com.ar> <431F3D00.3090609@planet.nl> <431F445B.40904@buanzo.com.ar> <431F4A54.1040505@planet.nl> <431F4BD4.507@buanzo.com.ar> <431F534E.1080308@planet.nl> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <431F534E.1080308@planet.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.8i X-Archives-Salt: c4a917fa-e7df-4ca2-9131-0ebc2541008f X-Archives-Hash: 6cde0a01ceb0fa9f8fbcded698b703c7 On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 10:53:34PM +0200, Holly Bostick wrote: > >>> But you still haven't said why the final output file has to be so > >>> small. > > > > > > To be shared over bittorrent :P > > > > Ummmm.... people share full DVD- size files over BT all the time. If > it's an issue of not wanting to seed for the length of time it would > take to get more seeders, well, then don't share over BT, because you > 'have to' do that, no matter how big the file is. > > And heaven knows I wouldn't be happy with the file I got (a full DVD > shrunk to 100MB), even if it only took me half an hour rather than 2 days. I know I am more likely to download files under 1GB than those above. Even with Bittorrent, which allows the sharing of large files, when dealing with unknown content, I still prefer NOT to give up 4G of my harddrive space. And I am sure a lot of users feel the same way. > > Or is the issue that the vendor doesn't want people to have to wait for > 2 days to get the file? I'm not sure that's reasonable; it's BT (so > people are used to it not being instantaneous downloading), and this is, > after all, a full-quality file that is (almost) ready to burn to DVD. If > that's what the expected customers want, then they'll likely be willing > to wait. > > You might consider offering two versions; 'low-quality' (reduced to > something like 320xwhatever), and 'high(er)-quality' (at either the > original A/R, or a slightly lower one). > I think that's a good idea. > I think you're trying to solve the wrong problem-- your actual problem > is not that the file is 'too big' but it is in some way too big for you > to work with in the way that you seem to need to, for reasons unknown > (insofar as there is no bt-specific reason that a 4.5 GB file cannot be > shared, but there clearly is a you-specific reason that you can't do > this, presumably that your client has specified these restrictions). Hum, my feeling is that his client actually wants people to download the files? A brief scan of the various bittorrent forums/boards that I visit tells me that full DVD sized contents can usually only survive if it is a boot-legged copy of a full movie, or pr0n. Other things tends to get ignored if it takes 2 days to download. Like I said: if you don't know whether the content is good or not, would you be willing to wait 2 days and sacrifice 4 G of harddrive space? W -- "Why does the chicken cross the road?" Einstein: it's not the chicken crossing the road, it is the road crossing the chicken." Heisenberg: well, if you know it is moving, you can't know where it is; and if you know where it is, you can't really know where it's going. Therefore you can't know for certain that the chicken is actually crossing the road. von Neumann: it satisfies the Minimax theorem for worm finding. Schroedinger: not really. It is in the state of crossing and not crossing at the same time. Until you observe it, you can't really be sure. Pauli: Well, it must be that there's another chicken of the same shape, size, color, taste, smell, etc. on this side of the road... Newton: an unbalanced force Bohr: Because it is excited, and because it can't stay on the road... Feynman: (dum, dum, dong, dum-da, dum, dong) Ah... Old MacDonald had a farm... E I E I O.... And on this farm he has a chicken... E I E I O.... Sortir en Pantoufles: up 27 days, 1:36 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list