From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECrtj-00019b-Ka for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 04:51:00 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j874k8AF023034; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 04:46:08 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j874cC4q024844 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 04:38:13 GMT Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.205]) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECrke-0005Au-35 for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 04:41:36 +0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i35so978887wra for ; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 21:41:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Qh2RMreYMB9yUqW6heplfInJJlm9eLA5OqYqr8jb775i5kDxeYvcecEw8NtqKunm/94jeQREJ1FxGV4PeSEWexfK4/9QobLlh+V6CB+ECY2jKkyH6x4ho0pSlVxuIrHN+Wh641EWxPqh/A1mYf7sIH2U9UHicvBB79bpx5CHZtY= Received: by 10.54.32.69 with SMTP id f69mr4904081wrf; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 21:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.120.6 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 21:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7ad4c5005090621414fb135c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 06:41:36 +0200 From: Martin S To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org, gentoo-user Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Slightly OT: favorite window manager/desktop environ? In-Reply-To: <20050831222821.GB8710@raw-sewage.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_15508_6727474.1126068096220" References: <20050831222821.GB8710@raw-sewage.net> X-Archives-Salt: 9b47f569-4e43-409a-9555-3138460309fa X-Archives-Hash: 84b2bb1703e00c2683205cfdf9c16996 Message-ID: <20050907044136.Gx6BUuICTlZm7tnXuQ5ynAIZ7ZZg-dxzyi3yylaCi-Q@z> ------=_Part_15508_6727474.1126068096220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I enjoy KDE, especially since the atomic builds were introduced. The full= =20 KDE is so full of - for my needs - completely useless junk, that I've kept= =20 away from it. The bloatedness of KDE atomic is quite acceptable for me.=20 Also, I'm pretty satisfied with the eye-candy. Useability wise, for me, KDE= =20 is "better" than Gnome, which I've tried very hard to like.=20 I wanted to like Gnome, and was excited by the new release (what is standar= d=20 now - I've forgotten the version number) but the dialog boxes for Open File= =20 etc simply made me throw it out. Add to that the main KDE killer Evolution= =20 went from the Outlook layout to something else, and Kontact took its place.= =20 (The organisation of data is the only think I like in Outlook). I've played with other WM/DEs as well. On RedHat I used WindowMaker and on= =20 Gentoo I've played with Enlightenment E16/E17 a bit. When the urge comes=20 over me to be "Unixy" I use E. It was some time ago though.=20 The main problem I feel is that lots of apps are written for a specific WM= =20 rather than a generic non-WM/DE-dependent API. Which makes the entire=20 desktop look like bits and pieces the cat draged home (run Gimp, Kontact an= d=20 Scid under KDE and you'll know what I mean). There was (is?) a setting in= =20 KDE to force *some* apps to bend to the theme of KDE, but that was buggy=20 when I tried it last time. 2005/9/1, Matt Garman : >=20 >=20 > Before this gets into a flame war, let's just operate under the > assertion that the "best" window manager/desktop environment is > strictly a matter of personal preference. >=20 > So, having said that, what window manager do you use, and why? I > wouldn't trade the multitude of options availabe in Linux for > anything, but the choices can be overwhelming. >=20 > I've played with a lot of 'em, starting with fvwm, through window > maker, enlightenment 15 & 16, icewm, gnome, xfce, kde, blackbox... > I've been using Fluxbox for quite a while now. >=20 > I want something that is fairly minimal/lightweight, but with a hint > of eye candy and a functional "panel" or taskbar. Fluxbox just > about has this, but, I can't seem to figure out how to get a > gnome-like panel (unless I ran gnome, which would trump the > lighweight requirement). >=20 > I've seen the E17 screenshots, and I'd like to run it, but it's not > a trivial install, plus it's still alpha code (though there's plenty > of anecdotal evidence that it's plenty stable... I'd still rather > wait for an "official" release). >=20 > Some interesting links, if you aren't already aware: >=20 > http://xwinman.org/ - basic overview of available WMs/DEs > http://www.lynucs.org/ - desktop screenshot archive > http://www.enlightenment.org/ - best of eye candy :) >=20 > Anyway, I was just hoping to start a "pub"-style conversation on > what people like/disklike in a window manager. >=20 > Thanks, > Matt >=20 > -- > Matt Garman > email at: http://raw-sewage.net/index.php?file=3Demail > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list >=20 >=20 --=20 Regards, Martin S ------=_Part_15508_6727474.1126068096220 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I enjoy KDE, especially since the atomic builds were introduced. The full KDE is so full of - for my needs - completely useless junk, that I've kept away from it. The bloatedness of KDE atomic is quite acceptable for me. Also, I'm pretty satisfied with the eye-candy. Useability wise, for me, KDE is "better" than Gnome, which I've t= ried very hard to like.

I wanted to like Gnome, and was excited by the new release (what is standard now - I've forgotten the version number) but the dialog boxes for Open File etc simply made me throw it out. Add to that the main KDE killer Evolution went from the Outlook layout to something else, and Kontact took its place. (The organisation of data is the only think I like in Outlook).

I've played with other WM/DEs as well. On RedHat I used WindowMaker and on Gentoo I've played with Enlightenment E16/E17 a bit. When the urge comes over me to be "Unixy" I use E. It was some time ago though.=

The main problem I feel is that lots of apps are written for a specific WM rather than a generic non-WM/DE-dependent API. Which makes the entire desktop look like bits and pieces the cat draged home (run Gimp, Kontact and Scid under KDE and you'll know what I mean). There was (is?) a setting in KDE to force *some* apps to bend to the theme of KDE, but that was buggy when I tried it last time.

2005/9/1, Matt Garman <garman@raw-sewage.net>:

Before this gets into a flame war, let's just operate under the
asse= rtion that the "best" window manager/desktop environment is
st= rictly a matter of personal preference.

So, having said that, what w= indow manager do you use, and why?  I
wouldn't trade the multitude of options availabe in Linux for
anythi= ng, but the choices can be overwhelming.

I've played with a lot of '= em, starting with fvwm, through window
maker, enlightenment 15 & 16,= icewm, gnome, xfce, kde, blackbox...
I've been using Fluxbox for quite a while now.

I want something = that is fairly minimal/lightweight, but with a hint
of eye candy and a f= unctional "panel" or taskbar.  Fluxbox just
about ha= s this, but, I can't seem to figure out how to get a
gnome-like panel (unless I ran gnome, which would trump the
lighweig= ht requirement).

I've seen the E17 screenshots, and I'd like to run = it, but it's not
a trivial install, plus it's still alpha code (though t= here's plenty
of anecdotal evidence that it's plenty stable... I'd still rather
wa= it for an "official" release).

Some interesting links, if = you aren't already aware:

http://xwi= nman.org/ - basic overview of available WMs/DEs
http://www.lynucs.org/ - desktop screenshot archive
http://www.enlightenment.org/ - best of= eye candy :)

Anyway, I was just hoping to start a "pub"-style conversa= tion on
what people like/disklike in a window manager.

Thanks,Matt

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Regards,

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