[gentoo-user] About firefox

[gentoo-user] About firefox

[Luigi Pinna]

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Hello everybody!
I use mozilla and I want to change to firefox but...
Mozilla has a multilanguage support (everybody can install his 
languagepack). I search the same in firefox but I cannot find it: if I 
use portage, I have only the english version; if I install it from the 
firefox homepage, I have only the specific language (I have a 
multilanguage computer...).
What can I do? Must I use only mozilla?
Thanks,
Luigi
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Re: [gentoo-user] About firefox

[Holly Bostick]

Luigi Pinna schreef:
> Hello everybody!
> I use mozilla and I want to change to firefox but...
> Mozilla has a multilanguage support (everybody can install his 
> languagepack). I search the same in firefox but I cannot find it: if I 
> use portage, I have only the english version; if I install it from the 
> firefox homepage, I have only the specific language (I have a 
> multilanguage computer...).
> What can I do? Must I use only mozilla?
> Thanks,
> Luigi

No, not at all. I have both Firefox and Thunderbird localized to Dutch
(my second language), but I admit it was hard to find out how to do so.

If you go to the Mozilla Localization page at
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/l10n/mlp_status.html

and there is a project for your language, there should also be a website
link to the project's site. Any files to localize Firefox should be
there (at least that's how it worked for the Dutch files).

You might also want to use the Locale Switcher extension at
https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=356 to switch
between locales if you use more than one.

Hope this helps,
Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] About firefox

[Luigi Pinna]

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Alle 21:29, sabato 20 agosto 2005, Holly Bostick ha scritto:
[...]
> If you go to the Mozilla Localization page at
> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/l10n/mlp_status.html
>
> and there is a project for your language, there should also be a
> website link to the project's site. Any files to localize Firefox
> should be there (at least that's how it worked for the Dutch files).

Yes, there is a language pack for language that I need (Italian, German, 
Bulgarian, Brazilian), I knew it...

> You might also want to use the Locale Switcher extension at
> https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=356 to switch
> between locales if you use more than one.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Holly

The problem is to install them: I cannot find something like mozilla 
(install languages). I see a windows in the tools menu with the 
installed languages... only the en-US.
I ask myself why they don't use the mozilla system: easy and it works 
very good!
Any tricks?
Thanks a lot,
Luigi


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Re: [gentoo-user] About firefox

[Holly Bostick]

Luigi Pinna schreef:
> Alle 21:29, sabato 20 agosto 2005, Holly Bostick ha scritto:
> [...]
> 
>>If you go to the Mozilla Localization page at
>>http://www.mozilla.org/projects/l10n/mlp_status.html
>>
>>and there is a project for your language, there should also be a
>>website link to the project's site. Any files to localize Firefox
>>should be there (at least that's how it worked for the Dutch files).
> 
> 
> Yes, there is a language pack for language that I need (Italian, German, 
> Bulgarian, Brazilian), I knew it...
> 
> 
>>You might also want to use the Locale Switcher extension at
>>https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=356 to switch
>>between locales if you use more than one.
>>
>>Hope this helps,
>>Holly
> 
> 
> The problem is to install them: I cannot find something like mozilla 
> (install languages). I see a windows in the tools menu with the 
> installed languages... only the en-US.
> I ask myself why they don't use the mozilla system: easy and it works 
> very good!
> Any tricks?

They're .xpi files, yes? The language pack should be. However, all the
sites for the languages you're looking for don't seem to have language
packs, just full installers.... although I can't read most of these
languages well enough to be sure. But I couldn't find any such pack on
the German localization site, for example. I did find one of the sp_SP
page, though. I am aware that you weren't looking for Spain Spanish, but
I had a hope of reading that, since the Lating American Spanish page had
a MySQL error and I couldn't view the downloads.

Anyway.. just click the download link for the relevant *.xpi, and
Firefox should offer to install it-- or, more likely, a bar should
appear across the top of the window saying that the site is not
authorized to install software. In that case, click the "Edit Options"
button that appears at the end of the bar at the top of the page, and a
dialog will allow you to add the site to the list of authorized
installer sites (if you don't want the setting to be permanent, you can
remove it later, for security sake), and then click the download/install
link again. Now the extension (because it is an extension) should install.

If it doesn't, then you need to do the exact same thing, but after
running Firefox as root. Most extensions install to
~/.mozilla/firefox/wherever (so the user may install them), but some
install to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox (so only root can install them), and
atm I don't remember which kind the language pack is. Of course, you
could just do what I do and have root change the permissions of the main
application plugins folder, so that a user may write to it, because
otherwise it's a PITA, but that's just me.

So, once the language pack is installed, also install the Locale
Switcher extension if you haven't (I think that one has to be installed
by root as well). When you're done, close and reopen Firefox as root to
actually install it the extensions. Then close the root instance, and
open a user instance.

Under the 'Extras' menu, you should now have an entry "Languages". This
entry allows you to switch what language the application displays in.
Choose your language, then close and reopen Firefox to set it. This is
not really all that elegant for 'on the fly' switching, I admit--
there's probably a way to specify the language from the command line,
but I don't know what it is, sorry.


Hope this helps,
Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] About firefox

[Luigi Pinna]

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Alle 03:07, domenica 21 agosto 2005, Holly Bostick ha scritto:
>
> They're .xpi files, yes? The language pack should be. However, all
> the sites for the languages you're looking for don't seem to have
> language packs, just full installers.... although I can't read most
> of these languages well enough to be sure. But I couldn't find any
> such pack on the German localization site, for example. I did find
> one of the sp_SP page, though. I am aware that you weren't looking
> for Spain Spanish, but I had a hope of reading that, since the Lating
> American Spanish page had a MySQL error and I couldn't view the
> downloads.
[...]
> If it doesn't, then you need to do the exact same thing, but after
> running Firefox as root. Most extensions install to
> ~/.mozilla/firefox/wherever (so the user may install them), but some
> install to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox (so only root can install them),
> and atm I don't remember which kind the language pack is. Of course,
> you could just do what I do and have root change the permissions of
> the main application plugins folder, so that a user may write to it,
> because otherwise it's a PITA, but that's just me.
[...]
> Holly

I found the italian package and I installed it as root, but firefox 
doesn't ask me if I want a global installation :-( 
that means that every user must install  a language package; that's 
strange!
But the question is yet here: why don't they do a link near to the 
localized installer to language package? 
Thanks a lot, 
Luigi
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Re: [gentoo-user] About firefox

[Holly Bostick]

Luigi Pinna schreef:
> Alle 03:07, domenica 21 agosto 2005, Holly Bostick ha scritto:
> 
>>They're .xpi files, yes? The language pack should be. However, all
>>the sites for the languages you're looking for don't seem to have
>>language packs, just full installers.... although I can't read most
>>of these languages well enough to be sure. But I couldn't find any
>>such pack on the German localization site, for example. I did find
>>one of the sp_SP page, though. I am aware that you weren't looking
>>for Spain Spanish, but I had a hope of reading that, since the Lating
>>American Spanish page had a MySQL error and I couldn't view the
>>downloads.
> 
> [...]
> 
>>If it doesn't, then you need to do the exact same thing, but after
>>running Firefox as root. Most extensions install to
>>~/.mozilla/firefox/wherever (so the user may install them), but some
>>install to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox (so only root can install them),
>>and atm I don't remember which kind the language pack is. Of course,
>>you could just do what I do and have root change the permissions of
>>the main application plugins folder, so that a user may write to it,
>>because otherwise it's a PITA, but that's just me.
> 
> [...]
> 
>>Holly
> 
> 
> I found the italian package and I installed it as root, but firefox 
> doesn't ask me if I want a global installation :-( 

Extensions that *must* be installed by root are, afaik, global
installations by default. But this may not have been one of them. Did
you try installing it as a user and get an error saying that the
extension couldn't be written to /usr/lib/wherever? If you get such an
error, the extension must be installed by root (and is therefore
global), because only root can write to /usr/lib/anywhere. If the
extension installs as a user, then it's local, but it's quite possible
that if you install it as root it will be global (since Firefox almost
certainly searches /usr/lib/whatever/plugins for global plugins like
flash and other media, prior to then searching
~/.mozilla/firefox/profile/plugins for local plugins).

> that means that every user must install  a language package; that's 
> strange!

I don't think that's the case, did you actually check, or are you just
assuming? Does the user (or root) have the locale installed? Did you
install the locale switcher extension? Does it offer you to switch to
the new locale from the 'Extras' menu?

> But the question is yet here: why don't they do a link near to the 
> localized installer to language package? 

No idea. It is strange to have to trawl the Internet this way to find
said language packs.
> Thanks a lot, 
> Luigi

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Re: [gentoo-user] About firefox

[Luigi Pinna]

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Alle 15:03, domenica 21 agosto 2005, Holly Bostick ha scritto:
> > I found the italian package and I installed it as root, but firefox
> > doesn't ask me if I want a global installation :-(

I installed it as root too, but it doesn't ask me a global 
installation...
I want to do a pair trying about it, it say it tomorrow, ok?

>[...]
> > But the question is yet here: why don't they do a link near to the
> > localized installer to language package?
>
> No idea. It is strange to have to trawl the Internet this way to find
> said language packs.

Look it:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/l10n/mlp_otherproj.html

Only few language have a language pack avaible (but they have all a 
localized installer...)
Luigi

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Re: [gentoo-user] About firefox

[Yoann Pannier]

Holly Bostick wrote, On 08/21/2005 03:03 PM:
>>But the question is yet here: why don't they do a link near to the 
>>localized installer to language package? 
> 
> No idea. It is strange to have to trawl the Internet this way to find
> said language packs.

go to firefox's home: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
clic 'Other Systems and Languages' in the big green 'Download Now' box
clic 'linux-i686' (or another arch)
clic 'xpi'

Those clics lead you to:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.0.6/linux-i686/xpi/

And this is where you can find (all?) XPI language packs for firefox-1.0.6.

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Re: [gentoo-user] About firefox

[Holly Bostick]

Yoann Pannier schreef:
> Holly Bostick wrote, On 08/21/2005 03:03 PM:
> 
>>>But the question is yet here: why don't they do a link near to the 
>>>localized installer to language package? 
>>
>>No idea. It is strange to have to trawl the Internet this way to find
>>said language packs.
> 
> 
> go to firefox's home: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
> clic 'Other Systems and Languages' in the big green 'Download Now' box
> clic 'linux-i686' (or another arch)
> clic 'xpi'
> 
> Those clics lead you to:
> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.0.6/linux-i686/xpi/
> 
> And this is where you can find (all?) XPI language packs for firefox-1.0.6.
> 

Yoann, thank you!! I knew the language packs had to be on the FTP
somewhere, but I forgot where, and didn't have the time to figure out
where to start looking.

Bookmarked.

Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] About firefox

[Graham Murray]

Yoann Pannier <gentoo-user@umsar.org> writes:

> Those clics lead you to:
> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.0.6/linux-i686/xpi/
>
> And this is where you can find (all?) XPI language packs for firefox-1.0.6.

But it would be nice if portage were to automatically install the
appropriate language pack(s) depending on the value of LINGUAS.
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Re: [gentoo-user] About firefox

[Holly Bostick]

Graham Murray schreef:
> Yoann Pannier <gentoo-user@umsar.org> writes:
> 
> 
>>Those clics lead you to:
>>http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.0.6/linux-i686/xpi/
>>
>>And this is where you can find (all?) XPI language packs for firefox-1.0.6.
> 
> 
> But it would be nice if portage were to automatically install the
> appropriate language pack(s) depending on the value of LINGUAS.

Well, that certainly is true. Thinking about submitting a bug with
ebuild patch?

:)

Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] About firefox

[Luigi Pinna]

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Alle 15:03, domenica 21 agosto 2005, Holly Bostick ha scritto:
[...]
> Extensions that *must* be installed by root are, afaik, global
> installations by default. But this may not have been one of them. Did
> you try installing it as a user and get an error saying that the
> extension couldn't be written to /usr/lib/wherever? If you get such
> an error, the extension must be installed by root (and is therefore
> global), because only root can write to /usr/lib/anywhere. If the
> extension installs as a user, then it's local, but it's quite
> possible that if you install it as root it will be global (since
> Firefox almost certainly searches /usr/lib/whatever/plugins for
> global plugins like flash and other media, prior to then searching
> ~/.mozilla/firefox/profile/plugins for local plugins).

I tried in the last two days but the insttation is everytime local 
(there are no questions as the other exstensions!).

Now I found another problem (it is an old problem what I remember was 
solved): I can't use the mplayerpug-in (I have the 2.85)!
I use the info from 
http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/install.php
and I copied mplayerplug-in.so   mplayerplug-in.xpt in the firefox 
directory (/opt/firefox/plugins/) but firefox says that a plug-in is 
missing...
What's it wrong?
Thanks,
Luigi
Ps. I have no more mozilla installed, can it be a/the problem?

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Re: [gentoo-user] About firefox

[Holly Bostick]

Luigi Pinna schreef:
> Alle 15:03, domenica 21 agosto 2005, Holly Bostick ha scritto:
> [...]
> 
>>Extensions that *must* be installed by root are, afaik, global
>>installations by default. But this may not have been one of them. Did
>>you try installing it as a user and get an error saying that the
>>extension couldn't be written to /usr/lib/wherever? If you get such
>>an error, the extension must be installed by root (and is therefore
>>global), because only root can write to /usr/lib/anywhere. If the
>>extension installs as a user, then it's local, but it's quite
>>possible that if you install it as root it will be global (since
>>Firefox almost certainly searches /usr/lib/whatever/plugins for
>>global plugins like flash and other media, prior to then searching
>>~/.mozilla/firefox/profile/plugins for local plugins).
> 
> 
> I tried in the last two days but the insttation is everytime local 
> (there are no questions as the other exstensions!).

I think I could be misunderstanding you; what do you mean by 'the
installation is every time local'? Do you mean that an extension
installed by a particular user (even root) cannot be used by any other
user? This is normal behaviour for most extensions, even in older
versions of Firefox; in fact, I've just done a small test, and it
appears that this is now normal behaviour for all extensions, insofar as
I couldn't find an extension that appeared for the user when installed
by root. This is actually what I would consider correct behaviour and
I'm glad to see it. That no extension asks you if you want a local or
global installation of the extension (they don't do that anymore for a
long time, at least under Firefox. I don't know what Mozilla does these
days)?

Your issue is that the language pack must be explicitly installed by
every user that wants to use it? If that's the case, I'm not quite sure
what the problem is... I'm sure that if one was doing a network
installation of a large number of systems, that there is a way to
specify such things (which I don't know because I'm not administering a
large number of systems, but I can't imagine that an organization like
the Mozilla Foundation would not have made provisions for sysadmins of
large international corporations that might need multiple language
support in a given system-wide installation). But for a small network or
home system, the fact that each user can for themselves choose if they
want the additional languages or not is, afaik, the way it's supposed to
be. Once you know where the language pack is, it takes 5 seconds and one
restart of Firefox to install it. It's not as if it's a big deal for
those who want the functionality, and those who don't don't have to have it.

Are you just confused by the ways Firefox is different from Mozilla, or
is this creating an unmanageable obstacle (i.e. you have to install
Language Packs on a school's computer lab network of 500 computers, and
doing it one by one is ridiculous)?

> 
> Now I found another problem (it is an old problem what I remember was 
> solved): I can't use the mplayerpug-in (I have the 2.85)!
> I use the info from 
> http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/install.php
> and I copied mplayerplug-in.so   mplayerplug-in.xpt in the firefox 
> directory (/opt/firefox/plugins/) 

/opt/firefox/plugins??? How did you install Firefox? Does the -bin
ebuild install to /opt (I compile mine)? Even so, it seems weird that
the -bin ebuild would have a completely different filetree from the
compiled version... the only way I know (unless the -bin ebuild does
install to /opt) to install Firefox to /opt (under Gentoo) is to use the
Linux installer on the Mozilla site.

In which case, all bets are kinda off, because the Firefox Linux
installer (and the resulting installed Firefox) does not work quite the
same as the one installed by Portage (the one installed by Portage works
better, overall, because it's designed to work with Gentoo, as opposed
to the Mozilla.org installer which has to maintain its own little world,
since it can't know just what distro it's being installed to).

I begin to suspect that all your problems may be related to not having
installed Firefox via Portage, if that is in fact the case.

but firefox says that a plug-in is
> missing...
> What's it wrong?

Firefox isn't looking in /opt/firefox/plugins for its plugins,
apparently, or is unable to use what it finds there. Why, I don't know.
Where it is in fact looking, I also don't know... but on my system, the
mplayer plugin is installed in 2 places:

/opt/netscape/plugins (which is probably a deprecated holdover from a
previous version of something else, something old and not-too-bright)

/usr/lib/nsbrowser/plugins
(this folder is symlinked to /usr/lib/MozillaFirefox/plugins)

You might try the following two commands to see if there are other
directories that Firefox might be searching:

locate firefox/plugins
locate Firefox/plugins

Alternatively, what are the permissions on the plugin files you copied?
It's possible that the user trying to run them doesn't have permissions
to read the files-- i.e., root copied them to opt, but the regular user
is an "other" (neither root nor a member of the group owning the files),
and does not have the necessary permission to read the file when Firefox
is opened and attempts to read the plugin files. Additionally, it's
possible that the user only has permission to read the plugin, and needs
read-write (my plugin is rwx-rwx-rwx, and I'm pretty sure I never
touched them; I wasn't even aware of /usr/lib/nsbrowser until I started
investigating this just now).

> Thanks,
> Luigi
> Ps. I have no more mozilla installed, can it be a/the problem?

Not likely. I (among many others here, I'm sure), don't have mozilla,
and my mplayerplug-in works fine, along with the various others,
including those installed by Wine.

Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] About firefox

[Luigi Pinna]

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Alle 03:48, mercoledì 24 agosto 2005, Holly Bostick ha scritto:

> /opt/firefox/plugins??? How did you install Firefox? Does the -bin
> ebuild install to /opt (I compile mine)? Even so, it seems weird that
> the -bin ebuild would have a completely different filetree from the
> compiled version... the only way I know (unless the -bin ebuild does
> install to /opt) to install Firefox to /opt (under Gentoo) is to use
> the Linux installer on the Mozilla site.

I installed firefox from portage, but I have 2 versions: precompiled and 
compiled.
The problem is that flash plug-in doesn't work in 64 bit mode (I have a 
amd64) and I must install a 32 bit version to use it.

> Firefox isn't looking in /opt/firefox/plugins for its plugins,
> apparently, or is unable to use what it finds there. Why, I don't
> know. Where it is in fact looking, I also don't know... but on my
> system, the mplayer plugin is installed in 2 places:
>
> /opt/netscape/plugins (which is probably a deprecated holdover from a
> previous version of something else, something old and not-too-bright)
>
> /usr/lib/nsbrowser/plugins
> (this folder is symlinked to /usr/lib/MozillaFirefox/plugins)
>
> You might try the following two commands to see if there are other
> directories that Firefox might be searching:
>
> locate firefox/plugins
> locate Firefox/plugins

Cinzia ~ # locate firefox/plugins
/opt/firefox/plugins
/opt/firefox/plugins/libnullplugin.so
/opt/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.so
/opt/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.xpt
/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libnullplugin.so
/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.so
/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.xpt
Cinzia ~ # locate Firefox/plugins
/usr/lib/MozillaFirefox/plugins
Cinzia ~ # ll /usr/lib/MozillaFirefox/plugins
 /usr/lib/MozillaFirefox/plugins -> /usr/lib64/nsbrowser/plugins


> Alternatively, what are the permissions on the plugin files you
> copied? It's possible that the user trying to run them doesn't have
> permissions to read the files-- i.e., root copied them to opt, but
> the regular user is an "other" (neither root nor a member of the
> group owning the files), and does not have the necessary permission
> to read the file when Firefox is opened and attempts to read the
> plugin files. Additionally, it's possible that the user only has
> permission to read the plugin, and needs read-write (my plugin is
> rwx-rwx-rwx, and I'm pretty sure I never touched them; I wasn't even
> aware of /usr/lib/nsbrowser until I started investigating this just
> now).

> Holly
I did the chmod 777 /opt/netscape/plugins/mplayerplug-in.* because:
ll /usr/lib/MozillaFirefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.*
/usr/lib/MozillaFirefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.so 
-> /opt/netscape/plugins/mplayerplug-in.so
/usr/lib/MozillaFirefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.xpt 
-> /opt/netscape/plugins/mplayerplug-in.xpt

but it doesn't solve the problem!
Luigi
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