Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

["Markus Döbele" <mar_doe@gmx.de>]

The code I think is not the problem. But I think it is still a lot of work.
By the way I don't like C too much (we had a C Version once and only 
encountered problems all the time :-( Buffer overflows and all this nice 
stuff is a big problem of this language!)

Maybe a C Fan is reading this and likes to do it. 

I started as a Assembler Programmer on the Atari ST (68000 Rulez!!!)
But all this is too much effort. Purebasic has a very syntax and for a basic 
dialect a very good performance.


Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2005 08:39 schrieb Frank Schafer:
> Hmmm, a game IS an application (for gaming purposes) ;-))
>
> Fast scrolling and all of this stuff isn't made by PB but by library
> routines (SDL on Linux). So every (I mean EVERY) language should handle
> this if the system does it handle.
>
> By the way, we definitely can change the programming language by simple
> syntax conversion if the original code is proper organized (I did this
> more than once). A complete rewrite isn't such a big task too.
> Programming means to describe the whole logic of an application (games
> too ;). Use structograms, flow charts, petri nets ... as you like.
> Translating this into a programming Language (C, C++, Pascal, BASIC,
> Forth, Prolog ...) is pure coding.
>
> I remember the time we touched the hardware itself if we did need speed
> (DOS, was it GEM on the Amiga?, the legendary Spectrum, C64 ...) but I'm
> skeptic if modern OS will still allow this.
>
> 0.02$
> Frank
>
> On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 21:31 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote:
> > But this is a game and not an aplication.
> > I need fast scrolling and all this stuff. I don't think this languages
> > can handle that.
> >
> > Am Dienstag, 23. August 2005 09:57 schrieb Heinz Sporn:
> > > Am Dienstag, den 23.08.2005, 09:06 +0200 schrieb Markus Döbele:
> > > > Purebasic is very fast. The generated assembler code kicks ass.
> > > > And I can compile it for Linux, Mac OS and Windows.
> > > >
> > > > If I find a Open Source Basic Compiler that can do the task. I
> > > > consider rewriting it again.
> > >
> > > Did you ever look at Gambas? http://gambas.sourceforge.net/ At the
> > > moment it's dedicated to X environments with both QT and GTK support
> > > but I wouldn't be suprised if they will support Windoze in the future.
> > > The IDE itself is very nice and the compiler generates smooth code.
> > > It's in Portage BTW. And last but not least they have a very nice
> > > community.
> > >
> > > Another option might be RealBasic http://www.realbasic.com/ . The
> > > Current RealBasic version 2005 is commercial, but the older standard
> > > version 5.5 for Windows is free. It's a little strange but with that
> > > you are able to produce native Linux binaries for a QT environment.
> > >
> > > > We are programming this game since 12 years :-)
> > > > The first Version we programmed on the Atari ST!  :-))
> > > > There the language was calles STOS.
> > > >
> > > > Am Dienstag, 23. August 2005 08:33 schrieb Frank Schafer:
> > > > > Hi Markus,
> > > > >
> > > > > have you ever wondered about the possibility to rewrite your game
> > > > > to another programming language. There's a lot of possibilities
> > > > > (even for FSF game engines).
> > > > >
> > > > > Just a thought
> > > > > Frank
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 23:42 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote:
> > > > > > So we have to treat Lost Labyrinth as closed source.
> > > > > > Because the source code of this game is only useful to other
> > > > > > purebasic programmers. And people that got the compiler. I
> > > > > > understand. Can't change that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Am Montag, 22. August 2005 22:52 schrieb Matan Peled:
> > > > > > > Markus Döbele wrote:
> > > > > > > > I created a tar.gz Version of this game too.
> > > > > > > > I'm sorry that its not possible to compile it with the demo
> > > > > > > > version of the compiler.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What are gentoo users doing with other binary packages?
> > > > > > > > Like Acrobat Reader?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is this a big problem for this system?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No, Portage can handle binary apps just fine. We have Java,
> > > > > > > Unreal Tournament 2k3/2k4, Doom 3, Neverwinter Nights... All
> > > > > > > kinds of binary-only apps.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But all of them are closed-source (Except for the -bin version
> > > > > > > of some rather big packages, manly to save people the compile
> > > > > > > time...).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It feels kinda wrong to install a binary package of a (small)
> > > > > > > open-source app on a source-based system...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Its also weird having an opensource app that you can only
> > > > > > > compile using a non-free (as in beer) compiler...
> > > > > > >
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