[gentoo-user] what's next

[gentoo-user] what's next

[John Dangler]

So far, I have a stage 2 install with 2.6.12-r9, wireless (ipw2100), intel
modem (compiled in) and alsa (compiled in) on a dell inspiron 8600.  All is
functioning well.

I have the basic system installed and updated on my laptop.
Aside from the problem of the splash, everything seems to be well.
I'm wondering what direction to go next?

I'd like a good backup solution w/boot capability, but mondo is right out!
It's too flaky at the moment.
I'd like to get a backup of the system at this stage before adding a desktop
environment, so that I have somewhere to go back to in case of a bork
(either from software or operator error)

I'm also thinking that some security would be in order here (anti-virus at
least, but I've also read about others like port sentry, iptables, etc).

As always, any input is greatly appreciated.

John D




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Re: [gentoo-user] what's next

[Joe Menola]

On Sunday August 21 2005 11:24 am, John Dangler wrote:
> I'd like a good backup solution w/boot capability, but mondo is right out!
> It's too flaky at the moment.
> I'd like to get a backup of the system at this stage before adding a
> desktop environment, so that I have somewhere to go back to in case of a
> bork (either from software or operator error)

Personally, I prefer to backup at the partition level. Partimage works quite 
well for me.
http://www.partimage.org/

I boot with  SystemRescueCd (has partimage built in) to backup and/or restore 
my partions.  
http://www.sysresccd.org/

-jm

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PartImage and SystemRescueCd (Was: RE: [gentoo-user] what's next)

[John Dangler]

I noticed that partimage (0.6.4-r3) is available on portage, but
SystemRescueCd (SystemRescueCd-x86-0.2.15) isn't.
a) Have you had any problems getting these up and running? 
b) Have you noticed any collisions with adding packages to your gentoo
install after these? (dependency / reverse dependency problems)

Thanks for the input, I appreciate it!

John D

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Menola [mailto:menola@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 1:34 PM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] what's next

On Sunday August 21 2005 11:24 am, John Dangler wrote:
> I'd like a good backup solution w/boot capability, but mondo is right out!
> It's too flaky at the moment.
> I'd like to get a backup of the system at this stage before adding a
> desktop environment, so that I have somewhere to go back to in case of a
> bork (either from software or operator error)

Personally, I prefer to backup at the partition level. Partimage works quite

well for me.
http://www.partimage.org/

I boot with  SystemRescueCd (has partimage built in) to backup and/or
restore 
my partions.  
http://www.sysresccd.org/

-jm

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Re: PartImage and SystemRescueCd (Was: RE: [gentoo-user] what's next)

[Joe Menola]

On Sunday August 21 2005 4:36 pm, John Dangler wrote:
> I noticed that partimage (0.6.4-r3) is available on portage, but
> SystemRescueCd (SystemRescueCd-x86-0.2.15) isn't.
> a) Have you had any problems getting these up and running?
> b) Have you noticed any collisions with adding packages to your gentoo
> install after these? (dependency / reverse dependency problems)
>
> Thanks for the input, I appreciate it!

There's really not much use for installing partimage on Gentoo since partimage 
cannot backup or restore mounted file systems. Unless you want to setup a 
partimage server for other pc's to use, or backup partitions from other 
operating systems while running Gentoo.

SystemRescueCd is an iso file, you use it to burn a bootable cd to perform 
misc tasks on your pc.  Basically, for partimage use... you boot from the cd, 
mount a partition to write the backup images to and run partimage. 

Highly recommended: http://www.partimage.org/doc/index.html

-jm
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RE: PartImage and SystemRescueCd (Was: RE: [gentoo-user] what's next)

[John Dangler]

Joe~
Thanks for the reply.  I was reading the information on the system rescue
site (from your last reply), and I think this could work fine.  I'm reading
through the rest of the documentation to see how to use this to perform
backups.  I did notice that SystemRescueCd is currently using a 2.4 kernel.
Have you seen any hiccups using this with a much more current kernel
release? (Mine is 2.6.12-r9)

John D


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Menola [mailto:menola@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:59 PM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: PartImage and SystemRescueCd (Was: RE: [gentoo-user] what's
next)

On Sunday August 21 2005 4:36 pm, John Dangler wrote:
> I noticed that partimage (0.6.4-r3) is available on portage, but
> SystemRescueCd (SystemRescueCd-x86-0.2.15) isn't.
> a) Have you had any problems getting these up and running?
> b) Have you noticed any collisions with adding packages to your gentoo
> install after these? (dependency / reverse dependency problems)
>
> Thanks for the input, I appreciate it!

There's really not much use for installing partimage on Gentoo since
partimage 
cannot backup or restore mounted file systems. Unless you want to setup a 
partimage server for other pc's to use, or backup partitions from other 
operating systems while running Gentoo.

SystemRescueCd is an iso file, you use it to burn a bootable cd to perform 
misc tasks on your pc.  Basically, for partimage use... you boot from the
cd, 
mount a partition to write the backup images to and run partimage. 

Highly recommended: http://www.partimage.org/doc/index.html

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Re: WARNING - reiser and PartImage and SystemRescueCd (Was: RE: [gentoo-user] what's next)

[Nick Rout]

I helped a bloke install gentoo a few months ago. We downsized his
reiser filesystemed suse install beforehand using the system rescue cd.
It screwed the filesystem - it was unrecoverable. be warned.


On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:00:10 -0400
John Dangler wrote:

> Joe~
> Thanks for the reply.  I was reading the information on the system rescue
> site (from your last reply), and I think this could work fine.  I'm reading
> through the rest of the documentation to see how to use this to perform
> backups.  I did notice that SystemRescueCd is currently using a 2.4 kernel.
> Have you seen any hiccups using this with a much more current kernel
> release? (Mine is 2.6.12-r9)
> 
> John D
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Menola [mailto:menola@sbcglobal.net] 
> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:59 PM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: PartImage and SystemRescueCd (Was: RE: [gentoo-user] what's
> next)
> 
> On Sunday August 21 2005 4:36 pm, John Dangler wrote:
> > I noticed that partimage (0.6.4-r3) is available on portage, but
> > SystemRescueCd (SystemRescueCd-x86-0.2.15) isn't.
> > a) Have you had any problems getting these up and running?
> > b) Have you noticed any collisions with adding packages to your gentoo
> > install after these? (dependency / reverse dependency problems)
> >
> > Thanks for the input, I appreciate it!
> 
> There's really not much use for installing partimage on Gentoo since
> partimage 
> cannot backup or restore mounted file systems. Unless you want to setup a 
> partimage server for other pc's to use, or backup partitions from other 
> operating systems while running Gentoo.
> 
> SystemRescueCd is an iso file, you use it to burn a bootable cd to perform 
> misc tasks on your pc.  Basically, for partimage use... you boot from the
> cd, 
> mount a partition to write the backup images to and run partimage. 
> 
> Highly recommended: http://www.partimage.org/doc/index.html
> 
> -jm
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> 
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RE: WARNING - reiser and PartImage and SystemRescueCd (Was: RE: [gentoo-user] what's next)

[John Dangler]

Thanks for the warning Nick.  I've also looked into mondo, but that app has
never worked for me (tried to get it running twice over about a month's
time, with no success).

John D

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Rout [mailto:nick@rout.co.nz] 
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:39 PM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: WARNING - reiser and PartImage and SystemRescueCd (Was: RE:
[gentoo-user] what's next)

I helped a bloke install gentoo a few months ago. We downsized his
reiser filesystemed suse install beforehand using the system rescue cd.
It screwed the filesystem - it was unrecoverable. be warned.


On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:00:10 -0400
John Dangler wrote:

> Joe~
> Thanks for the reply.  I was reading the information on the system rescue
> site (from your last reply), and I think this could work fine.  I'm
reading
> through the rest of the documentation to see how to use this to perform
> backups.  I did notice that SystemRescueCd is currently using a 2.4
kernel.
> Have you seen any hiccups using this with a much more current kernel
> release? (Mine is 2.6.12-r9)
> 
> John D
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Menola [mailto:menola@sbcglobal.net] 
> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:59 PM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: PartImage and SystemRescueCd (Was: RE: [gentoo-user] what's
> next)
> 
> On Sunday August 21 2005 4:36 pm, John Dangler wrote:
> > I noticed that partimage (0.6.4-r3) is available on portage, but
> > SystemRescueCd (SystemRescueCd-x86-0.2.15) isn't.
> > a) Have you had any problems getting these up and running?
> > b) Have you noticed any collisions with adding packages to your gentoo
> > install after these? (dependency / reverse dependency problems)
> >
> > Thanks for the input, I appreciate it!
> 
> There's really not much use for installing partimage on Gentoo since
> partimage 
> cannot backup or restore mounted file systems. Unless you want to setup a 
> partimage server for other pc's to use, or backup partitions from other 
> operating systems while running Gentoo.
> 
> SystemRescueCd is an iso file, you use it to burn a bootable cd to perform

> misc tasks on your pc.  Basically, for partimage use... you boot from the
> cd, 
> mount a partition to write the backup images to and run partimage. 
> 
> Highly recommended: http://www.partimage.org/doc/index.html
> 
> -jm
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: PartImage and SystemRescueCd (Was: RE: [gentoo-user] what's next)

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 16:58:32 -0500, Joe Menola wrote:

> There's really not much use for installing partimage on Gentoo since
> partimage cannot backup or restore mounted file systems. Unless you
> want to setup a partimage server for other pc's to use, or backup
> partitions from other operating systems while running Gentoo.

Or backup any partition other than /, or build a Live CD from your Gentoo
system.


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Re: PartImage and SystemRescueCd (Was: RE: [gentoo-user] what's next)

[Brett I. Holcomb]

SystemRescueCD is an iso you download and burn a CD.  It is gentoo based 
and you boot it like a live CD.  You boot the CD on a system and then run 
partimage to backup to a partimage server.  Some things I found that were 
a hassle.

I run partimage server on a Gentoo system and back up other boxes such as 
my Windows boxes to the Gentoo system.

The RescueCD offers partimage and partimagessl for the programs.  I had to 
run partimagessh -L on the system I was backing up and I had to compile 
the Gentoo partimage to NOT use passwords.  I wanted to use passwords but 
evidently the RescueCD is compiled to not use them so I had to change my 
Gentoo compile to not use passwords.  I tried to get the users file 
working and partimage still would not authenticate.

If you are backing up NTFS filesystems use the default size for the images 
or it won't produce a readable image.

I filed a bug on this but evidently it's an upstream problem and I need to 
bug it there, too.

  On Sun, 21 Aug 2005, John Dangler wrote:

> I noticed that partimage (0.6.4-r3) is available on portage, but
> SystemRescueCd (SystemRescueCd-x86-0.2.15) isn't.
> a) Have you had any problems getting these up and running?
> b) Have you noticed any collisions with adding packages to your gentoo
> install after these? (dependency / reverse dependency problems)
>
> Thanks for the input, I appreciate it!
>
> John D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Menola [mailto:menola@sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 1:34 PM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] what's next
>
> On Sunday August 21 2005 11:24 am, John Dangler wrote:
>> I'd like a good backup solution w/boot capability, but mondo is right out!
>> It's too flaky at the moment.
>> I'd like to get a backup of the system at this stage before adding a
>> desktop environment, so that I have somewhere to go back to in case of a
>> bork (either from software or operator error)
>
> Personally, I prefer to backup at the partition level. Partimage works quite
>
> well for me.
> http://www.partimage.org/
>
> I boot with  SystemRescueCd (has partimage built in) to backup and/or
> restore
> my partions.
> http://www.sysresccd.org/
>
> -jm
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] what's next

[Fernando Meira]

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On 8/21/05, John Dangler <jdangler@atlantic.net> wrote:
> 
> I have the basic system installed and updated on my laptop.
> Aside from the problem of the splash, everything seems to be well.
> I'm wondering what direction to go next?


You're the boss... just lead the way.. I hope that's why you installed 
gentoo!! :) 

I'd like a good backup solution w/boot capability, but mondo is right out!
> It's too flaky at the moment.
> I'd like to get a backup of the system at this stage before adding a 
> desktop
> environment, so that I have somewhere to go back to in case of a bork
> (either from software or operator error)


Try SystemRescueCd. Is bootable and has tools that allows you to backup 
partitions. You can place you current partition in other place of you disk 
or even on a cd. 

I'm also thinking that some security would be in order here (anti-virus at
> least, but I've also read about others like port sentry, iptables, etc).
> 

Well.. I'd advise you iptables. And that's all you need. You won't need 
anti-virus, though you can use it. I've used BitDefender some time ago..

Fernando.

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