[gentoo-user] alsa config

[gentoo-user] alsa config

[John Dangler]

I have alsa configured into the kernel, but I think I goofed reading through
the alsa configuration.
when I run alsaconf, it recognizes the card in the system (intel8x0), but
after I select it, I get a dialog that says:
Configuring snd-***
Do you want to modify err?
Configuring [lib/liblow.c(329)]:
Do you want to modify /etc/modules.d/alsa?
hmm.

any input is appreciated.

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RE: [gentoo-user] alsa config

[John Dangler]

I've tried modifying the conf file for this by putting in snd-intel8x0, but
the system isn't reading it for some reason.  do I need to unmerge
alsa-driver and start again ?

Thanks for the assistance.

John D


-----Original Message-----
From: John Dangler [mailto:jdangler@atlantic.net] 
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 4:04 AM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: [gentoo-user] alsa config

I have alsa configured into the kernel, but I think I goofed reading through
the alsa configuration.
when I run alsaconf, it recognizes the card in the system (intel8x0), but
after I select it, I get a dialog that says:
Configuring snd-***
Do you want to modify err?
Configuring [lib/liblow.c(329)]:
Do you want to modify /etc/modules.d/alsa?
hmm.

any input is appreciated.

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Re: [gentoo-user] alsa config

[Christoph Eckert]

Hi,


> I've tried modifying the conf file for this by putting in
> snd-intel8x0, but the system isn't reading it for some reason.  do I
> need to unmerge alsa-driver and start again ?

you only need the alsa drivers if

* you're still on 2.4 kernels
* you haven't activated the in-kernel drivers in your 2.6 kernel

I use the drivers of the 2.6 kernel and am just happy with it.

Check the following:

* The config file is /etc/modules.d/alsa

* Mine contains something like

alias /dev/mixer snd-mixer-oss
alias /dev/dsp snd-pcm-oss
alias /dev/midi snd-seq-oss

options snd  device_mode=0666

alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0
alias sound-slot-0 snd-intel8x0

and it works. There are no further ALSA driver configuration files.

After this, try

/etc/init.d/alsasound restart

Use alsamixer in a console window to adjust the settings. Ensure master 
is open and PCM is unmuted and open.


Best regards & good luck,


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RE: [gentoo-user] alsa config - help

[John Dangler]

my /etc/modules.d/alsa file contained this (after alsaconf)
alias snd-card-0 snd-*** err [lib/liblow.c(329)]:
alias sound-slot-0 snd-*** err [lib/liblow.c(329)]:

I changed it to
alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0
alias sound-slot-0 snd-intel8x0

I saved the file and ran /etc/init.d/alsasound restart and got this:

Loading ALSA modules ...
Loading snd-card-0 ...
FATAL: Module snd_*** not found.		[!!]
Loading snd=seq-oss ...				[OK]
Loading snd-pcm-oss ...				[OK]
ERROR: Failed to load necessary drivers	[OK]
Restoring mixer levels ...			[OK]


yes, that's an underscore in the FATAL message

(and, of course, after this, alsamixer fails)

Any input is greatly appreciated.

John D


-----Original Message-----
From: Christoph Eckert [mailto:ce@christeck.de] 
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 3:31 PM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] alsa config

Hi,


> I've tried modifying the conf file for this by putting in
> snd-intel8x0, but the system isn't reading it for some reason.  do I
> need to unmerge alsa-driver and start again ?

you only need the alsa drivers if

* you're still on 2.4 kernels
* you haven't activated the in-kernel drivers in your 2.6 kernel

I use the drivers of the 2.6 kernel and am just happy with it.

Check the following:

* The config file is /etc/modules.d/alsa

* Mine contains something like

alias /dev/mixer snd-mixer-oss
alias /dev/dsp snd-pcm-oss
alias /dev/midi snd-seq-oss

options snd  device_mode=0666

alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0
alias sound-slot-0 snd-intel8x0

and it works. There are no further ALSA driver configuration files.

After this, try

/etc/init.d/alsasound restart

Use alsamixer in a console window to adjust the settings. Ensure master 
is open and PCM is unmuted and open.


Best regards & good luck,


    ce


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Re: [gentoo-user] alsa config - help

[Joe Menola]

On Saturday August 20 2005 2:42 pm, John Dangler wrote:
> my /etc/modules.d/alsa file contained this (after alsaconf)
> alias snd-card-0 snd-*** err [lib/liblow.c(329)]:
> alias sound-slot-0 snd-*** err [lib/liblow.c(329)]:
>
> I changed it to
> alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0
> alias sound-slot-0 snd-intel8x0

I had the same problem (caused by running alsaconf with kernel support 
enabled), after fixing my alsa file I couldn't track down where the call for 
the snd-*** was coming from.
My solution was to recompile my kernel with module support and then rerunning 
alsaconf.

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RE: [gentoo-user] alsa config - help

[John Dangler]

Joe~
>>(caused by running alsaconf with kernel support enabled),
>> My solution was to recompile my kernel with module support and then
rerunning alsaconf.

if you had kernel support built-in, and running alsaconf was what caused the
problem (which I think is what caused this problem as well), why would you
rerun alsaconf after recompiling the kernel ?  wouldn't that cause the same
problem to occur twice?

Thanks for the input.

John D

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From: Joe Menola [mailto:menola@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 4:18 PM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] alsa config - help

On Saturday August 20 2005 2:42 pm, John Dangler wrote:
> my /etc/modules.d/alsa file contained this (after alsaconf)
> alias snd-card-0 snd-*** err [lib/liblow.c(329)]:
> alias sound-slot-0 snd-*** err [lib/liblow.c(329)]:
>
> I changed it to
> alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0
> alias sound-slot-0 snd-intel8x0

I had the same problem (caused by running alsaconf with kernel support 
enabled), after fixing my alsa file I couldn't track down where the call for

the snd-*** was coming from.
My solution was to recompile my kernel with module support and then
rerunning 
alsaconf.

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Re: [gentoo-user] alsa config - help

[Joe Menola]

On Saturday August 20 2005 4:27 pm, John Dangler wrote:
> if you had kernel support built-in, and running alsaconf was what caused
> the problem (which I think is what caused this problem as well), why would
> you rerun alsaconf after recompiling the kernel ?  wouldn't that cause the
> same problem to occur twice?
>
> Thanks for the input.

My recompiled kernel didn't have alsa built-in, it was compiled as a module. 
Which is what alsaconf expects. 

-jm

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RE: [gentoo-user] alsa config - help

[John Dangler]

Joe~
That's what my .config has now (CONFIG_SND_INTEL8X0=m)


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-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Menola [mailto:menola@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 5:40 PM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] alsa config - help

On Saturday August 20 2005 4:27 pm, John Dangler wrote:
> if you had kernel support built-in, and running alsaconf was what caused
> the problem (which I think is what caused this problem as well), why would
> you rerun alsaconf after recompiling the kernel ?  wouldn't that cause the
> same problem to occur twice?
>
> Thanks for the input.

My recompiled kernel didn't have alsa built-in, it was compiled as a module.

Which is what alsaconf expects. 

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Re: [gentoo-user] alsa config - help

[Joe Menola]

On Saturday August 20 2005 5:02 pm, John Dangler wrote:
> Joe~
> That's what my .config has now (CONFIG_SND_INTEL8X0=m)

Hmmm, no reason for alsaconf to fail then. Unless you skipped/forgot "make 
modules_install?
What say "modprobe intel8x0" ?

-jm

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Re: [gentoo-user] alsa config - help

[Joe Menola]

On Saturday August 20 2005 5:02 pm, John Dangler wrote:
> Joe~
> That's what my .config has now (CONFIG_SND_INTEL8X0=m)

Just peeked at my config, looks like alsa also has to be modular, as well.

# Advanced Linux Sound Architecture
#
CONFIG_SND=m
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RE: [gentoo-user] alsa config - help

[John Dangler]

Yep. That's what mine has as well.  I did try modprobe intel8x0 and got
this:
FATAL: Module intel8x0 not found

I appreciate your assistance.  This is the last thing to get the basic
system running... :)

Since both the driver and the kernel compile can't cooperate when both are
on the system, I was wondering if unmerging the alsa-driver, re-compile the
kernel with the existing sound modules, and then re-running alsaconf
wouldn't fix this (?)

John D


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Menola [mailto:menola@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 6:22 PM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] alsa config - help

On Saturday August 20 2005 5:02 pm, John Dangler wrote:
> Joe~
> That's what my .config has now (CONFIG_SND_INTEL8X0=m)

Just peeked at my config, looks like alsa also has to be modular, as well.

# Advanced Linux Sound Architecture
#
CONFIG_SND=m
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Re: [gentoo-user] alsa config - help

[Christoph Eckert]

> Yep. That's what mine has as well.  I did try modprobe intel8x0 and
> got this:
> FATAL: Module intel8x0 not found

note that *all* ALSA modules are prefixed by "snd_". The correct command 
reads as "modprobe snd_intel8x0".


Best regards


    ce


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Re: [gentoo-user] alsa config - help

[Christoph Eckert]

> FATAL: Module snd_*** not found.                [!!]

this means your kernel did not build this module. I wonder because it's 
needed on many machines with an onboard chipset.

Well, there are two possibilities, enable this module in the kernel, 
rebuild and install the modules (attention, this will delete all nvidia 
or vmware modules), or try building this driver manually and copy it 
over to the modules directory.


Best regards


    ce


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Re: [gentoo-user] alsa config

[John Jolet]

On Saturday 20 August 2005 14:31, Christoph Eckert wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > I've tried modifying the conf file for this by putting in
> > snd-intel8x0, but the system isn't reading it for some reason.  do I
> > need to unmerge alsa-driver and start again ?
>
> you only need the alsa drivers if
>
> * you're still on 2.4 kernels
> * you haven't activated the in-kernel drivers in your 2.6 kernel
>
> I use the drivers of the 2.6 kernel and am just happy with it.
>
> Check the following:
>
> * The config file is /etc/modules.d/alsa
>
> * Mine contains something like
>
> alias /dev/mixer snd-mixer-oss
> alias /dev/dsp snd-pcm-oss
> alias /dev/midi snd-seq-oss
>
> options snd  device_mode=0666
>
> alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0
> alias sound-slot-0 snd-intel8x0
>
> and it works. There are no further ALSA driver configuration files.
>
> After this, try
>
> /etc/init.d/alsasound restart
>
> Use alsamixer in a console window to adjust the settings. Ensure master
> is open and PCM is unmuted and open.
>
>
> Best regards & good luck,
>
>
>     ce

I have a question about that...using the in-kernel alsa drivers and I get 
sound fine with xmms under kde, but the system notification sounds are 
silent.  I'm kinda mystified.
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[gentoo-user] RESOLVED alsa config

[John Dangler]

Uereka! it's okay.
I unmerged the alsa-driver, re-compiled the kernel, reset the sound
emulation, and all is well.  Thanks for all the help!!!

Now, maybe I can attack the splash hiccup...

John D

-----Original Message-----
From: John Jolet [mailto:john@jolet.net] 
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 8:02 PM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] alsa config

On Saturday 20 August 2005 14:31, Christoph Eckert wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > I've tried modifying the conf file for this by putting in
> > snd-intel8x0, but the system isn't reading it for some reason.  do I
> > need to unmerge alsa-driver and start again ?
>
> you only need the alsa drivers if
>
> * you're still on 2.4 kernels
> * you haven't activated the in-kernel drivers in your 2.6 kernel
>
> I use the drivers of the 2.6 kernel and am just happy with it.
>
> Check the following:
>
> * The config file is /etc/modules.d/alsa
>
> * Mine contains something like
>
> alias /dev/mixer snd-mixer-oss
> alias /dev/dsp snd-pcm-oss
> alias /dev/midi snd-seq-oss
>
> options snd  device_mode=0666
>
> alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0
> alias sound-slot-0 snd-intel8x0
>
> and it works. There are no further ALSA driver configuration files.
>
> After this, try
>
> /etc/init.d/alsasound restart
>
> Use alsamixer in a console window to adjust the settings. Ensure master
> is open and PCM is unmuted and open.
>
>
> Best regards & good luck,
>
>
>     ce

I have a question about that...using the in-kernel alsa drivers and I get 
sound fine with xmms under kde, but the system notification sounds are 
silent.  I'm kinda mystified.
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Re: [gentoo-user] alsa config

[Holly Bostick]

John Jolet schreef:
> On Saturday 20 August 2005 14:31, Christoph Eckert wrote:
> 
>>
>>Use alsamixer in a console window to adjust the settings. Ensure master
>>is open and PCM is unmuted and open.
>>
>>
> 
> 
> I have a question about that...using the in-kernel alsa drivers and I get 
> sound fine with xmms under kde, but the system notification sounds are 
> silent.  I'm kinda mystified.

If xmms plays, then your sound is obviously working. If KDE system
sounds are not playing, there could be 3 reasons that I can think of:

1) arts (the kde sound server) is not enabled. You can check this in
kcontrol=>Sound and Multimedia=>Sound System; is the checkbox for
'enable sound system' checked? Is the correct sound system selected in
the 'Hardware' tab? It's not much use to tell KDE to pipe aRTs through
ESD if you don't have ESD running)

2) system sounds are turned off. You can check this in kcontrol=>Sound
and Multimedia=>System Notifications. Is the checkbox and drop-down menu
to turn all sounds off perhaps enabled? Secondarily, try selecting an
event that has a sound attached. Does the 'Play sound' checkbox become
checked? If you test the sound using the little 'Play' button next to
the filename, can you hear it?

3) KMix is set to override alsamixer settings on login, and it (KMix) is
muted (KMix does not use or refer to the alsamixer settings, but rather
its own. It's very annoying, and why I avoided it during my brief time
using KDE). This can be fixed by running KMix and either unmuting the
appropriate channels if muted, or setting KMix not to override the ALSA
mixer settings on startup, or by setting KMix not to start at all at login.

Hope this helps,
Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] alsa config

[Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales]

Hi there John,

   First, remember to backup config files.
   The suggestion I'd give you is to:
1 - put snd-intel8x0 in /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6
2 - set your /etc/modules.d/alsa like this:
    alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0
    alias sound-slot-0 snd-intel8x0
3 - rc-update add alsasound boot
4 - /etc/init.d/alsasound restart

Some programs that use OSS emulation need direct access to PCM. To do
this, I have  done the following:
1 - Create file /etc/conf.d/oss-emul
2 - Create a line for each program you want to grant permission for
direct access, like this:
    <program_name> 0 0 direct
3 - Add the following line to /etc/init.d/alsasound on the start() funcion:
    cat /etc/conf.d/oss-emul >> /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss

Everytime Alsa starts, it will give permission to the programs.

Hope this helps,

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Re: [gentoo-user] alsa config

[Anthony E. Caudel]

So holly, is arts absolutely necessary to get KDE system sounds?  I
installed KDE 3.4 without arts.  Alsa does fine as does amarok, gaim,
and several others _except_ KDE.  I guess arts is the reason, huh?

Tony

Holly Bostick wrote:

>John Jolet schreef:
>  
>
>>On Saturday 20 August 2005 14:31, Christoph Eckert wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Use alsamixer in a console window to adjust the settings. Ensure master
>>>is open and PCM is unmuted and open.
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>I have a question about that...using the in-kernel alsa drivers and I get 
>>sound fine with xmms under kde, but the system notification sounds are 
>>silent.  I'm kinda mystified.
>>    
>>
>
>If xmms plays, then your sound is obviously working. If KDE system
>sounds are not playing, there could be 3 reasons that I can think of:
>
>1) arts (the kde sound server) is not enabled. You can check this in
>kcontrol=>Sound and Multimedia=>Sound System; is the checkbox for
>'enable sound system' checked? Is the correct sound system selected in
>the 'Hardware' tab? It's not much use to tell KDE to pipe aRTs through
>ESD if you don't have ESD running)
>
>2) system sounds are turned off. You can check this in kcontrol=>Sound
>and Multimedia=>System Notifications. Is the checkbox and drop-down menu
>to turn all sounds off perhaps enabled? Secondarily, try selecting an
>event that has a sound attached. Does the 'Play sound' checkbox become
>checked? If you test the sound using the little 'Play' button next to
>the filename, can you hear it?
>
>3) KMix is set to override alsamixer settings on login, and it (KMix) is
>muted (KMix does not use or refer to the alsamixer settings, but rather
>its own. It's very annoying, and why I avoided it during my brief time
>using KDE). This can be fixed by running KMix and either unmuting the
>appropriate channels if muted, or setting KMix not to override the ALSA
>mixer settings on startup, or by setting KMix not to start at all at login.
>
>Hope this helps,
>Holly
>  
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] alsa config

[Christoph Eckert]

> So holly, is arts absolutely necessary to get KDE system sounds?  I
> installed KDE 3.4 without arts.  Alsa does fine as does amarok, gaim,
> and several others _except_ KDE.  I guess arts is the reason, huh?

Yep. As long as a KDE application doesn't have an audio interface of its 
own, it uses arts for audio output. If arts isn't available, it will 
not be able to output sound.


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Re: [gentoo-user] alsa config

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 11:48:14 +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote:

> > So holly, is arts absolutely necessary to get KDE system sounds?  I
> > installed KDE 3.4 without arts.  Alsa does fine as does amarok, gaim,
> > and several others _except_ KDE.  I guess arts is the reason, huh?
> 
> Yep. As long as a KDE application doesn't have an audio interface of
> its own, it uses arts for audio output. If arts isn't available, it
> will not be able to output sound.

You can also configure KDE to use an external player for system sounds

Control Centre -> Sound & Multimedia -> System Notifications -> Player Options


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Re: [gentoo-user] alsa config

[Anthony E. Caudel]

Neil Bothwick wrote:

>On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 11:48:14 +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote:
>
>  
>
>>>So holly, is arts absolutely necessary to get KDE system sounds?  I
>>>installed KDE 3.4 without arts.  Alsa does fine as does amarok, gaim,
>>>and several others _except_ KDE.  I guess arts is the reason, huh?
>>>      
>>>
>>Yep. As long as a KDE application doesn't have an audio interface of
>>its own, it uses arts for audio output. If arts isn't available, it
>>will not be able to output sound.
>>    
>>
>
>You can also configure KDE to use an external player for system sounds
>
>Control Centre -> Sound & Multimedia -> System Notifications -> Player Options
>  
>

This didn't work for me.  Tried both aplay and alsaplayer.  Neither helped.

>
>  
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] alsa config

[Nagatoro]

John Dangler wrote:
> I've tried modifying the conf file for this by putting in snd-intel8x0, but
> the system isn't reading it for some reason.  do I need to unmerge
> alsa-driver and start again ?
[...]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Dangler [mailto:jdangler@atlantic.net] 
> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 4:04 AM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: [gentoo-user] alsa config
> 
> I have alsa configured into the kernel, but I think I goofed reading through

As I've understood it you either use alsa-driver *or* configure it in 
the kernel *not* both.

See http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/alsa-guide.xml for more info.


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Re: [gentoo-user] alsa config

[Christoph Eckert]

> As I've understood it you either use alsa-driver *or* configure it in
> the kernel *not* both.

at least it's a mess of you do both.

Some people who always want the latest audio drivers don't use the 
kernel drivers but always use the latest alsa-driver packages, but for 
common desktop audio, there's no need for alsa-driver.

Best regards


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RE: [gentoo-user] alsa config

[John Dangler]

So, is the solution to unmerge the alsa-driver ?

Thanks for the response

John D

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From: Christoph Eckert [mailto:ce@christeck.de] 
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To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] alsa config


> As I've understood it you either use alsa-driver *or* configure it in
> the kernel *not* both.

at least it's a mess of you do both.

Some people who always want the latest audio drivers don't use the 
kernel drivers but always use the latest alsa-driver packages, but for 
common desktop audio, there's no need for alsa-driver.

Best regards


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Re: [gentoo-user] alsa config

[Christoph Eckert]

> So, is the solution to unmerge the alsa-driver ?

if you have the needed drivers compiled in the kernel, then yes, 
unmergin alsa driver will reduce the confusion, nothing else :) .


Best regards


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RE: [gentoo-user] alsa config

[John Dangler]

As I said earlier, I think I goofed here.  if I want to use the kernel
compiled module, will I resolve it by unmerging the alsa-driver ?

Thanks for the input.

John D

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From: Nagatoro [mailto:nagatoro@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 4:19 PM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] alsa config

John Dangler wrote:
> I've tried modifying the conf file for this by putting in snd-intel8x0,
but
> the system isn't reading it for some reason.  do I need to unmerge
> alsa-driver and start again ?
[...]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Dangler [mailto:jdangler@atlantic.net] 
> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 4:04 AM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: [gentoo-user] alsa config
> 
> I have alsa configured into the kernel, but I think I goofed reading
through

As I've understood it you either use alsa-driver *or* configure it in 
the kernel *not* both.

See http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/alsa-guide.xml for more info.


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