From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E4cHu-00089Q-28 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:33:50 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j7FAVxtb032453; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:31:59 GMT Received: from rutherford.zen.co.uk (rutherford.zen.co.uk [212.23.3.142]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7FAR81W005832 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:27:08 GMT Received: from [82.69.83.178] (helo=desiato.digimed.co.uk) by rutherford.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E4cBs-0005l7-Rm for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:27:37 +0000 Received: from hactar.digimed.co.uk (hactar.digimed.co.uk [192.168.1.2]) by desiato.digimed.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C911405F61 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:27:32 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:27:28 +0100 From: Neil Bothwick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives? Message-ID: <20050815112728.4fe6489b@hactar.digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1124099401.11891.9.camel@sf.rout.dyndns.org> References: <20050815093712.EFBD.NICK@rout.co.nz> <200508141713.14929.menola@sbcglobal.net> <20050815112811.EFD3.NICK@rout.co.nz> <20050815092813.11e665c5@krikkit.digimed.co.uk> <1124099401.11891.9.camel@sf.rout.dyndns.org> Organization: Digital Media Production X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.13 (GTK+ 2.6.8; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-GPG-Fingerprint: 7260 0F33 97EC 2F1E 7667 FE37 BA6E 1A97 4375 1903 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Signature_Mon__15_Aug_2005_11_27_28_+0100_aWrJdcwCEuib_3lA; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Originating-Rutherford-IP: [82.69.83.178] X-Archives-Salt: 795eac87-a3fc-4874-b73d-028e671fa620 X-Archives-Hash: f80fe7df7ad3b059464c59be6574a8c6 --Signature_Mon__15_Aug_2005_11_27_28_+0100_aWrJdcwCEuib_3lA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:50:00 +1200, Nick Rout wrote: > > I think some of this confusion is caused by the way people switch > > between > > two uses of the word stable. It can mean "doesn't crash", but then > > most > > upstream latest packages fit there, and some long standing releases > > don't. It can also mean "not changing" and this is what some people > > want > > from a distribution.=20 >=20 > I think there is a third meaning with gentoo, namely when the ebuild is > working well enough This is not another meaning but a different context. People keep assuming that the arch and ~arch alternatives refer to the package, when they only refer to the ebuild. > - this is independent of whether the upstream > package is stable.(although it no doubt helps if it is). So you can have > kde make a release (stable in their view) but gentoo takes some > considerable time to make ebuilds that work acceptably, before they are > marked stable (eg x86 cf ~x86) It's not the time it takes to make them work acceptably, most of the KDE 3.4 ebuilds worked fine in the initial release. It is the time it takes to prove that they are suitable for marking stable. The stable ebuild is usually the same one that the ~arch users installed a month ago with no problems. Choosing between arch and ~arch is choosing whether you want someone else to test things for you or whether you are prepared to do some of the work yourself. --=20 Neil Bothwick Das Internet is nicht fuer gefingerclicken und giffengrabben. Ist easy droppenpacket der routers und overloaden der backbone mit der spammen und der me-tooen. Ist nicht fuer gewerken bei das dumpkopfen. Das mausklicken sichtseeren keepen das bandwit-spewin hans in das pockets muss; relaxen und watchen das cursorblinken. --Signature_Mon__15_Aug_2005_11_27_28_+0100_aWrJdcwCEuib_3lA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDAG4Tum4al0N1GQMRAs8cAJ0Tn2jCYUDl1lmt9u8Tcz5+cFmeoQCfd62e ur4nlhznORAgJow7XY+o7IA= =6bP+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature_Mon__15_Aug_2005_11_27_28_+0100_aWrJdcwCEuib_3lA-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list