[gentoo-user] how to access mounted dir with non-root?

[gentoo-user] how to access mounted dir with non-root?

[danielhf]

i've found that i could not access the mounted 
directory with non-root users. 
1. i "chown" directories under "/mnt" to the user,
   but so long as i mount, the permission of the 
   specific dir will be changed to "drwx------" and
   owner changed to root automatically.
2. i try to use a mount option "users",
   $> mount /dev/hda6 /mnt/win -o rw,users
   no luck somehow as well.
3. i would not use "sudo" to do this, i believe there is 
   a way to solve the problem. and not sure "sudo" will work.

any ideas about this? thanks a lot in advance

best regards
daniel

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Re: [gentoo-user] how to access mounted dir with non-root?

[Uwe Thiem]

On 12 August 2005 16:33, danielhf@21cn.com wrote:
> i've found that i could not access the mounted
> directory with non-root users.
> 1. i "chown" directories under "/mnt" to the user,
>    but so long as i mount, the permission of the
>    specific dir will be changed to "drwx------" and
>    owner changed to root automatically.
> 2. i try to use a mount option "users",
>    $> mount /dev/hda6 /mnt/win -o rw,users
>    no luck somehow as well.
> 3. i would not use "sudo" to do this, i believe there is
>    a way to solve the problem. and not sure "sudo" will work.

What filesystem is on hda6? Does it know anything about ownership and 
permissions?

If not (like FAT) you need something like "mount -o 
uid=youruser,gid=users,umask=0777" 

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] how to access mounted dir with non-root?

[Stefan Kögl]

danielhf@21cn.com wrote:
> i've found that i could not access the mounted 
> directory with non-root users. 
> 1. i "chown" directories under "/mnt" to the user,
>    but so long as i mount, the permission of the 
>    specific dir will be changed to "drwx------" and
>    owner changed to root automatically.
> 2. i try to use a mount option "users",
>    $> mount /dev/hda6 /mnt/win -o rw,users
>    no luck somehow as well.
> 3. i would not use "sudo" to do this, i believe there is 
>    a way to solve the problem. and not sure "sudo" will work.
> 
> any ideas about this? thanks a lot in advance
Which filesystem are you talking about? If you mean NTFS (or maybe 
others too), you'll have to add a umask to the mount-options.
> 
> best regards
> daniel

greetings
> 



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Re: [gentoo-user] how to access mounted dir with non-root?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:07:32 +0100, Uwe Thiem wrote:

> If not (like FAT) you need something like "mount -o 
> uid=youruser,gid=users,umask=0777" 

Don't you mean umask=0? umask inverts the bits, so 777 gives --------- to
all files.


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Re: [gentoo-user] how to access mounted dir with non-root?

[Holly Bostick]

Neil Bothwick schreef:
> On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:07:32 +0100, Uwe Thiem wrote:
> 
> 
>>If not (like FAT) you need something like "mount -o 
>>uid=youruser,gid=users,umask=0777" 
> 
> 
> Don't you mean umask=0? umask inverts the bits, so 777 gives --------- to
> all files.
> 
> 

I'm currently in the middle of an 'argument' with someone else about
this, so explain, please.

If umask masks bits off of the 'default' permissions, then what is the
point of umask=000? It seems that it would leave the permissions as the
default, which appear to be 755 (is there a creation mask of 022
somewhere in the 'default' settings? I can't find it, if so), unless
you've explicitly set them to soemthing else.

The other person says that umask=000 removes all restrictions and gives
 all permissions to everybody, but I just don't understand how this
could be, unless the specific file/mount point was already set that way
(no file creation mask, so the files are 'created' with the default
777/666, or inherited the permission structure of the parent).

In any case, I use(d) umask=017 (full permissions for owner, rw for
group, and nothing for anyone else)-- but I had first set the
permissions for the mount point to 750 and mounted vfat partitions using
uid and gid, so that I would be the owner with the full permissions.

Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] how to access mounted dir with non-root?

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:45:44 +0200 Holly Bostick <motub@planet.nl>
wrote:
| If umask masks bits off of the 'default' permissions, then what is the
| point of umask=000? It seems that it would leave the permissions as
| the default, which appear to be 755 (is there a creation mask of 022
| somewhere in the 'default' settings? I can't find it, if so), unless
| you've explicitly set them to soemthing else.

umask 'masks' the bits. So umask=000 means "use whatever the
application uses when creating things without knocking off any bits".
Most system calls that create files or directories also take a
parameter for mode, which is where the 755 comes from. For example, for
mkdir(2):

> int mkdir(const char *pathname, mode_t mode);
> (...)
> The  parameter mode specifies the permissions to use. It is
> modified by the process's umask in the usual way: the permissions  of
> the  created directory  are  (mode & ~umask & 0777).  Other mode bits
> of the created directory depend on the operating system.  For Linux,
> see below.


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Re: [gentoo-user] how to access mounted dir with non-root?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:45:44 +0200, Holly Bostick wrote:

> > Don't you mean umask=0? umask inverts the bits, so 777 gives
> > --------- to all files.
> > 
> > 
> 
> I'm currently in the middle of an 'argument' with someone else about
> this, so explain, please.
> 
> If umask masks bits off of the 'default' permissions, then what is the
> point of umask=000?

To give rwxrwxrwx, which is fine for a FAT filesystem, and certainly
better than ---------

> It seems that it would leave the permissions as the
> default, which appear to be 755 (is there a creation mask of 022
> somewhere in the 'default' settings?

And there's the rub. Setting permissions to 755 only gives write access
to the owner, which is root when mounting at bootup. The other way of
dealing with this with FAT filesystems is to use the uid/gid options to
set yourself as the user, but that only works on a single user system.

> The other person says that umask=000 removes all restrictions and gives
>  all permissions to everybody, but I just don't understand how this
> could be, unless the specific file/mount point was already set that way
> (no file creation mask, so the files are 'created' with the default
> 777/666, or inherited the permission structure of the parent).

The mount point is irrelevant, what counts is the permissions on the
mounted filesystem, not the parent of the mount point. Once you mount
something on it, it takes on the permissions of the mounted device.

# ls -ld t
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 6 Apr 21 13:34 t

# mount /dev/sdd1 t -o umask=0

# ls -ld t
drwxrwxrwx  7 root root 16384 Jan  1  1970 t

See, the 755 changes to the 777 specified in the mount
options. /dev/sdd1 is a FAT16 formatted flash disk.
    

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Re: [gentoo-user] how to access mounted dir with non-root?

[danielhf]

On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 05:47:22PM +0000, Stefan K?gl wrote:
> danielhf@21cn.com wrote:
> >i've found that i could not access the mounted 
> >directory with non-root users. 
> >1. i "chown" directories under "/mnt" to the user,
> >   but so long as i mount, the permission of the 
> >   specific dir will be changed to "drwx------" and
> >   owner changed to root automatically.
> >2. i try to use a mount option "users",
> >   $> mount /dev/hda6 /mnt/win -o rw,users
> >   no luck somehow as well.
> >3. i would not use "sudo" to do this, i believe there is 
> >   a way to solve the problem. and not sure "sudo" will work.
> >
> >any ideas about this? thanks a lot in advance
> Which filesystem are you talking about? If you mean NTFS (or maybe 
> others too), you'll have to add a umask to the mount-options.
> >
> >best regards
> >daniel
> 
> greetings
> >
> 
> 
> 
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> 

actually, both ntfs (windows partition) and fat32 (usb disk) have 
the problem, i'll try the "umask" option, thanks to all for your
help.

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Re: [gentoo-user] how to access mounted dir with non-root?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:59:25 -0500, Michael Swanson wrote:

> Is this technique of umask=0 safe to use on an NTFS volume?  I want to 
> mount an NTFS drive on my desktop so that a regular user can access it. 
>     Is there a similar way to mount it with only read permissions, 
> seeing as writing to NTFS drives isn't usually a particularly good idea 
> with Linux.

NTFS partitions are usually mounted with the ro option (read only) so it
doesn't matter what write permissions you set. But to be certain, you
could set umask=222.


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Re: [gentoo-user] how to access mounted dir with non-root?

[Michael Swanson]

Is this technique of umask=0 safe to use on an NTFS volume?  I want to 
mount an NTFS drive on my desktop so that a regular user can access it. 
    Is there a similar way to mount it with only read permissions, 
seeing as writing to NTFS drives isn't usually a particularly good idea 
with Linux.

Thanks,
Mike Swanson
rearden@atlantisvalley.com

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:45:44 +0200, Holly Bostick wrote:


 >>> > Don't you mean umask=0? umask inverts the bits, so 777 gives
 >>> > --------- to all files.
 >>> >
 >>> >
 >
 >>
 >> I'm currently in the middle of an 'argument' with someone else about
 >> this, so explain, please.
 >>
 >> If umask masks bits off of the 'default' permissions, then what is the
 >> point of umask=000?


To give rwxrwxrwx, which is fine for a FAT filesystem, and certainly
better than ---------


 >> It seems that it would leave the permissions as the
 >> default, which appear to be 755 (is there a creation mask of 022
 >> somewhere in the 'default' settings?


And there's the rub. Setting permissions to 755 only gives write access
to the owner, which is root when mounting at bootup. The other way of
dealing with this with FAT filesystems is to use the uid/gid options to
set yourself as the user, but that only works on a single user system.


 >> The other person says that umask=000 removes all restrictions and gives
 >>  all permissions to everybody, but I just don't understand how this
 >> could be, unless the specific file/mount point was already set that way
 >> (no file creation mask, so the files are 'created' with the default
 >> 777/666, or inherited the permission structure of the parent).


The mount point is irrelevant, what counts is the permissions on the
mounted filesystem, not the parent of the mount point. Once you mount
something on it, it takes on the permissions of the mounted device.

# ls -ld t
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 6 Apr 21 13:34 t

# mount /dev/sdd1 t -o umask=0

# ls -ld t
drwxrwxrwx  7 root root 16384 Jan  1  1970 t

See, the 755 changes to the 777 specified in the mount
options. /dev/sdd1 is a FAT16 formatted flash disk.


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Re: [gentoo-user] how to access mounted dir with non-root?

[danielhf]

On Sat, Aug 13, 2005 at 09:54:22PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:59:25 -0500, Michael Swanson wrote:
> 
> > Is this technique of umask=0 safe to use on an NTFS volume?  I want to 
> > mount an NTFS drive on my desktop so that a regular user can access it. 
> >     Is there a similar way to mount it with only read permissions, 
> > seeing as writing to NTFS drives isn't usually a particularly good idea 
> > with Linux.
> 
> NTFS partitions are usually mounted with the ro option (read only) so it
> doesn't matter what write permissions you set. But to be certain, you
> could set umask=222.
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
> "Bother," said Pooh, as he pulled the alien face-hugger off.

thanks again. i use "umask=022" that solved the problem perfectly.
just write down the permission you want, eg. 755, then 777 minus
755, the result is right the value for the "umask".

hope it's a useful tip for beginners like me :-)

best regards
daniel
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Re: [gentoo-user] how to access mounted dir with non-root?

[Dirk Heinrichs]

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Am Freitag, 12. August 2005 17:33 schrieb ext 
gentoo-user+bounces-18312-ext-dirk.heinrichs=nokia.com@gentoo.org:
> i've found that i could not access the mounted
> directory with non-root users.
> 1. i "chown" directories under "/mnt" to the user,
>    but so long as i mount, the permission of the
>    specific dir will be changed to "drwx------" and
>    owner changed to root automatically.

Yes, of course. After mounting, the directory has the permissions of the 
_mounted_ filesystem, so you need to chown/chmod afterwards. However, that 
only works with filesystems that know about unix permission.

> 2. i try to use a mount option "users",
>    $> mount /dev/hda6 /mnt/win -o rw,users

I guess you're trying to mount some Windows filesystem. See above, they 
don't know unix permissions.

You have to use the uid option when mounting, see "man mount" for details.

HTH...

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[gentoo-user] timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl

[yance kowara]

Hi all,

I am trying to install gentoo stage 3 using kernel 2.6.12-gentoo-r6, 
following the documentation.

after #umount /mnt/gentoo ... (Chapter 10.d. Rebooting the system)
#reboot

The following messages are displayed:
shutdown: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl
init: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl

Any pointer on how to tackle this prob?

Thanks heaps for any pointers.

Regards,

Yance
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Re: [gentoo-user] timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl

[yance kowara]

yance kowara wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am trying to install gentoo stage 3 using kernel 2.6.12-gentoo-r6, 
> following the documentation.
>
> after #umount /mnt/gentoo ... (Chapter 10.d. Rebooting the system)
> #reboot
>
> The following messages are displayed:
> shutdown: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl
> init: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl
>
> Any pointer on how to tackle this prob?
>
> Thanks heaps for any pointers.
>
> Regards,
>
> Yance

It appears that I have to type exit twice before reboot. It is only one 
"exit" in docs.
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