[gentoo-user] Beep holding CTRL

[gentoo-user] Beep holding CTRL

[David Corbin]

Since I upgrade my system recently (notably, a KDE upgrade, but lots of other 
things too), I've noticed a strange beep coming.  It seems to only come when 
I've been holding down the CTRL key for a long time ( a few seconds with no 
other activity).  But everytime I try to reproduce it conciously, it doesn't.

Any idea what's causing it, and how to turn it off?

Thanks
David
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Re: [gentoo-user] Beep holding CTRL

[Michal Pronay]

Sound like accessibility support to me. Try to take a look in your kde
control panel -> Regional & Accessibility -> Accessibility.

M.

David Corbin wrote:
> Since I upgrade my system recently (notably, a KDE upgrade, but lots of other 
> things too), I've noticed a strange beep coming.  It seems to only come when 
> I've been holding down the CTRL key for a long time ( a few seconds with no 
> other activity).  But everytime I try to reproduce it conciously, it doesn't.
> 
> Any idea what's causing it, and how to turn it off?
> 
> Thanks
> David

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Re: [gentoo-user] Beep holding CTRL

[David Corbin]

On Saturday 23 July 2005 10:11 pm, Michal Pronay wrote:
> Sound like accessibility support to me. Try to take a look in your kde
> control panel -> Regional & Accessibility -> Accessibility.
>
> M.

Well, that allows me to turn off the System Bell, but I'm curious as to why 
it's beeping in the first place.

David
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Re: [gentoo-user] Beep holding CTRL

[David Corbin]

On Saturday 23 July 2005 10:11 pm, Michal Pronay wrote:
> Sound like accessibility support to me. Try to take a look in your kde
> control panel -> Regional & Accessibility -> Accessibility.
>
> M.

Well, that allows me to turn off the System Bell, but I'm curious as to why 
it's beeping in the first place.

David
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Re: [gentoo-user] Beep holding Shift

[Benno Schulenberg]

David Corbin wrote:
> On Saturday 23 July 2005 10:11 pm, Michal Pronay wrote:
> > Sound like accessibility support to me. Try to take a look in
> > your kde control panel -> Regional & Accessibility ->
> > Accessibility.
>
> Well, that allows me to turn off the System Bell, but I'm curious
> as to why it's beeping in the first place.

Go to the Keyboard tab there, press Shift-F1, and click on 
"Activation gestures".  You will see it wasn't Ctrl but Shift that 
beeps after 8 seconds.  You may want to read the relevant section 
in the Help Center.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Beep holding Shift

[David Corbin]

On Sunday 24 July 2005 08:58 am, Benno Schulenberg wrote:
> David Corbin wrote:
> > On Saturday 23 July 2005 10:11 pm, Michal Pronay wrote:
> > > Sound like accessibility support to me. Try to take a look in
> > > your kde control panel -> Regional & Accessibility ->
> > > Accessibility.
> >
> > Well, that allows me to turn off the System Bell, but I'm curious
> > as to why it's beeping in the first place.
>
> Go to the Keyboard tab there, press Shift-F1, and click on
> "Activation gestures".  You will see it wasn't Ctrl but Shift that
> beeps after 8 seconds.  You may want to read the relevant section
> in the Help Center.

You're right of course, it was the Shift key.  

However, my help center documentation doesn't have any information on 
"Activation Gestures", and worse, even if I uncheck "Use gestures for 
activating the above features" and APPLY, it still beeps.

Furthermore, even though I've unchecked "Use System Bell", I get an audible 
bell and no visible bell (despite having checked that).

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Re: [gentoo-user] Beep holding Shift

[Benno Schulenberg]

David Corbin wrote:
> However, my help center documentation doesn't have any
> information on "Activation Gestures",

Indeed, it doesn't here either.  Time for a doc-patch?  :)

> and worse, even if I 
> uncheck "Use gestures for activating the above features" and
> APPLY, it still beeps.

Hmm, sounds like this bug: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97425
What version of KDE are you using now?  Here 3.4.1.

> Furthermore, even though I've unchecked "Use System Bell", I get
> an audible bell and no visible bell (despite having checked
> that).

This all works fine here, in every combination: beep, song, flash.  
And I can disable all that too.

But holding Shift for eight seconds doesn't actually enable Slow 
keys, also there is no confirmation dialog (although it is ticked). 
Pressing Shift five times _does_ activate Sticky keys (and it asks 
first when ticked). Hmm, there is definitely something wrong with 
these Accessibility things.

Maybe kcmaccessibilty depends on extra things, other split ebuilds, 
some of which I've installed but you don't?

$ grep kde /var/lib/portage/world | sort
kde-base/kaddressbook
kde-base/kappfinder
kde-base/kate
kde-base/kbabel
kde-base/kde-i18n
kde-base/kdebase-startkde
kde-base/kdelibs
kde-base/khelpcenter
kde-base/khexedit
kde-base/khotkeys
kde-base/kmail
kde-base/kmenuedit
kde-base/kmix
kde-base/konqueror
kde-base/konsole
kde-base/kopete
kde-base/kpat
kde-base/kpdf
kde-base/ksnapshot
kde-base/kstart
kde-base/ksysguard
kde-base/kuickshow
kde-base/kwalletmanager
kde-base/kxkb
kde-misc/kdiff3
kde-misc/ksensors


And this is my ~/.kde/share/config/kaccessrc:

[Bell]
ArtsBell=true
ArtsBellFile=/usr/share/sounds/Borealis/Question.ogg
SystemBell=true
VisibleBell=true
VisibleBellColor=255,0,0
VisibleBellInvert=true
VisibleBellPause=200

[Keyboard]
BounceKeys=false
BounceKeysDelay=500
GestureConfirmation=true
Gestures=true
SlowKeys=false
SlowKeysDelay=500
StickyKeys=false
StickyKeysLatch=true

[Mouse]
MKCurve=0
MKDelay=160
MKInterval=5
MKMaxSpeed=500
MKTimeToMax=1000
MouseKeys=false


Benno
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Re: [gentoo-user] Beep holding Shift

[David Corbin]

On Sunday 24 July 2005 04:56 pm, Benno Schulenberg wrote:

> > and worse, even if I
> > uncheck "Use gestures for activating the above features" and
> > APPLY, it still beeps.
>
> Hmm, sounds like this bug: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97425
> What version of KDE are you using now?  Here 3.4.1.

3.4.1 

> Maybe kcmaccessibilty depends on extra things, other split ebuilds,
> some of which I've installed but you don't?
>
> $ grep kde /var/lib/portage/world | sort

When I get that, all I get is:
kde-base/kde

I had 3.3 installed, and simply did an "emerge -uavD world".

>
> And this is my ~/.kde/share/config/kaccessrc:
>

Ah!  I see what's happened to me (at least in part).  When I run the control 
center, it prompts me for the root password, which I gave it.  And which 
means my root now has those settings.  This seems like a mistake in the KDE 
world - it seems like there's a mix of things in the control center that are 
system-like settings, and user preferences.

David
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Re: [gentoo-user] Beep holding Shift

[Benno Schulenberg]

David Corbin wrote:
> > $ grep kde /var/lib/portage/world | sort
>
> When I get that, all I get is:
> kde-base/kde

Okay, no problem, you have a full KDE install, not a series of split 
ebuilds.

> Ah!  I see what's happened to me (at least in part).  When I run
> the control center, it prompts me for the root password,

That is strange, starting the Control Center shouldn't ask for the 
root password.  Only under System Administration most sections have 
an Administrator Mode button, needed when one wants to change 
anything there.  Then it asks for the root password.  All the rest 
should be changeable as your normal user.

Do you still have your ~/.kde3.3 dir lying around?  If so, you may 
want to tar it up somewhere safe, then delete the dir, and restart 
KDE, just to be sure.  That probably won't help anything, so then 
log out of KDE, move ~/.kde3.4 to a different name for the moment, 
clean all KDE stuff out of /tmp, and then relogin to KDE.  If that 
brings things back to normal, you may try diffing the old and 
new .kde3.4 dirs.  If it doesn't help, restore your original .kde3.4 
dir to get all your settings back.

Benno
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