[gentoo-user] what's new with all those new packages?

[gentoo-user] what's new with all those new packages?

[danielhf]

portage reminds me of updating packages frequently,
i have to decide what to update, and if it's worth downloading?

is there a easy way to see "what's new" of those packages to be
updated? the ChangeLog within /usr/portage/xxx-xxx/ make no sense to me.

thanks.

regards 
daniel..



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Re: [gentoo-user] what's new with all those new packages?

[Philip Webb]

050711 danielhf@21cn.com wrote:
> portage reminds me of updating packages frequently,
> i have to decide what to update, and if it's worth downloading?
> is there a easy way to see "what's new" of those packages to be updated?
> the ChangeLog within /usr/portage/xxx-xxx/ make no sense to me.

'emerge esearch', then use 'esync', which updates your package list
& finally lists all updated packages with colors to show those installed.
I use it every week with an extra check via 'update -Dup world',
which helps in deciding the order in which to emerge packages.

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Re: [gentoo-user] what's new with all those new packages?

[Myk Taylor]

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I think if you're using Gentoo, there is an assumption that "if it's new
(and acceptably stable), I want it".  I agree that a comprehensive list
of fixed bugs and new features would be nice for each updated package,
but I imagine that it would be unwelcome extra work for the port
maintainers.

Especially handy would be if I were updating from version x to version y
of a particular package and emerge would tell me the functional delta
between those two versions.

If there's a package I'm particularly interested in (or dubious about),
 I'll venture over to its homepage to check out the changelist when it
gets updated, but I usually defer to the wisdom of the portage and
package maintainers.

- --myk

danielhf@21cn.com wrote:
> portage reminds me of updating packages frequently,
> i have to decide what to update, and if it's worth downloading?
> 
> is there a easy way to see "what's new" of those packages to be
> updated? the ChangeLog within /usr/portage/xxx-xxx/ make no sense to me.
> 
> thanks.
> 
> regards 
> daniel..
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Re: [gentoo-user] what's new with all those new packages?

[Mark Knecht]

On 7/11/05, Myk Taylor <myk@ucla.edu> wrote:
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> I think if you're using Gentoo, there is an assumption that "if it's new
> (and acceptably stable), I want it".  

Maybe I'm different but I disagree. Even if it's new, and in an
acceptly stable state, I often don't want it. Many times it seems that
we go through an r1/r2/r3/r4/r5 seies of updates. A number of times
that I've looked at change logs it turns out that 3 or 4 of these
changes are to fix things on other architecture while for me they are
just compile jobs.

I hope for the day when it's more clear that an incremental upgrade is
somethign that provides me value.

Cheers,
Mark

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RE: [gentoo-user] what's new with all those new packages?

[Dave Nebinger]

> A number of times
> that I've looked at change logs it turns out that 3 or 4 of these
> changes are to fix things on other architecture while for me they are
> just compile jobs.

Maybe I'm too cynical or maybe it's from experience but in either case I can
tell you as a developer the change log often reflects what I remember I
changed since the last release and is never intended to encompass every
change I made to the source.

>From that perspective the change log provides some helpful ideas about what
changes were implemented but never represents the complete change list.
Making the assumption that it does means that you could end up missing a
critical gentoo security/stability fix.

Besides, if you schedule your compile times for off hours then you really
don't lose anything with the additional compile jobs.



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Re: [gentoo-user] what's new with all those new packages?

[Ow Mun Heng]

On Mon, 2005-07-11 at 09:40 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
> On 7/11/05, Myk Taylor <myk@ucla.edu> wrote:
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> > I think if you're using Gentoo, there is an assumption that "if it's new
> > (and acceptably stable), I want it".  
> 
> Maybe I'm different but I disagree. Even if it's new, and in an
> acceptly stable state, I often don't want it. Many times it seems that
> we go through an r1/r2/r3/r4/r5 seies of updates. A number of times
> that I've looked at change logs it turns out that 3 or 4 of these
> changes are to fix things on other architecture while for me they are
> just compile jobs.\

Well, there's always glsa-check

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Re: [gentoo-user] what's new with all those new packages?

[Roy Wright]

emerge --pretend --changelog

will display the change log(s).  I usually do
emerge -uDNv world -pl
then if I like it, just delete the -pl to do the merge.

Have fun,
Roy


Myk Taylor wrote:

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>I think if you're using Gentoo, there is an assumption that "if it's new
>(and acceptably stable), I want it".  I agree that a comprehensive list
>of fixed bugs and new features would be nice for each updated package,
>but I imagine that it would be unwelcome extra work for the port
>maintainers.
>
>Especially handy would be if I were updating from version x to version y
>of a particular package and emerge would tell me the functional delta
>between those two versions.
>
>If there's a package I'm particularly interested in (or dubious about),
> I'll venture over to its homepage to check out the changelist when it
>gets updated, but I usually defer to the wisdom of the portage and
>package maintainers.
>
>- --myk
>
>danielhf@21cn.com wrote:
>  
>
>>portage reminds me of updating packages frequently,
>>i have to decide what to update, and if it's worth downloading?
>>
>>is there a easy way to see "what's new" of those packages to be
>>updated? the ChangeLog within /usr/portage/xxx-xxx/ make no sense to me.
>>
>>thanks.
>>
>>regards 
>>daniel..
>>    
>>
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Re: [gentoo-user] what's new with all those new packages?

[Holly Bostick]

Roy Wright schreef:
> emerge --pretend --changelog
> 
> will display the change log(s).  I usually do
> emerge -uDNv world -pl
> then if I like it, just delete the -pl to do the merge.
> 
> Have fun,
> Roy
> 

Well that's all very well and good, but a great deal of the time the
changelog only says something like 'version bump'-- because it's a
*Gentoo* ChangeLog, not the *application* changelog.

Which, if you're interested enough to want to know the contents of, you
should go to the application's homepage (linked from the ebuild, or
packages.gentoo.org), where it is usually published.

Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] what's new with all those new packages?

[Martin S]

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On 11/07/05, Myk Taylor <myk@ucla.edu> wrote:
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> I think if you're using Gentoo, there is an assumption that "if it's new
> (and acceptably stable), I want it". 
> 


That's hardly in line with Gentoos "choice policy".
Gentoo isn't about imposing someone elses preferences on everyone.

Regards,

Martin S

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Re: [gentoo-user] what's new with all those new packages?

[Jason Stubbs]

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On Tuesday 12 July 2005 19:35, Martin S wrote:
> On 11/07/05, Myk Taylor <myk@ucla.edu> wrote:
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> > I think if you're using Gentoo, there is an assumption that "if it's new
> > (and acceptably stable), I want it".
>
> That's hardly in line with Gentoos "choice policy".
> Gentoo isn't about imposing someone elses preferences on everyone.

You're not forced to upgrade. You're not even forced to sync with the rsync 
servers. If you're happy with your machine the way it is, don't upgrade. 
Simple.

Regards,
Jason Stubbs

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