[gentoo-user] Emerging old kernel

[gentoo-user] Emerging old kernel

[Ian K]

Hi there,
I need to get a 2.4 kernel onto a system, but
gentoo-sources now gives 2.6. I checked
gentoo-portage.com and it says that there is still a
2.4  ebuild in the gentoo-sources package(?). How do I
get it?
Thanks!!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Emerging old kernel

[Holly Bostick]

Ian K schreef:
> Hi there,
> I need to get a 2.4 kernel onto a system, but
> gentoo-sources now gives 2.6. I checked
> gentoo-portage.com and it says that there is still a
> 2.4  ebuild in the gentoo-sources package(?). 

As indeed there is:

eix gentoo-sources
* sys-kernel/gentoo-sources
     Available versions:  2.4.28-r9 2.6.9-r9 2.6.10-r6 2.6.11-r8
2.6.11-r11 [M]2.6.12-r3 [M]2.6.12-r4
     Installed:           2.6.11-r8 2.6.11-r11
     Homepage:            http://dev.gentoo.org/~dsd/gentoo-dev-sources
     Description:         Full sources including the gentoo patchset for
the 2.6 kernel tree


> How do I get it?

Try this:

emerge -av =sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.4.28-r9


Don't forget to add

>sys-kernel-2.4.28-r9

to /etc/portage/package.mask, or Portage will keep trying to upgrade
you. If there's a 2.4-series upgrade, that will also be blocked, but you
are likely to be keeping an eye open for any such updates, and can
adjust your package.mask accordingly.

> Thanks!!

HTH,
Holly


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Re: [gentoo-user] Emerging old kernel

[Holly Bostick]

What I meant to say was:

> Don't forget to add
> 
> 
> ">sys-kernel-2.4.28-r9"
> 
> 
> to /etc/portage/package.mask.

Stupid Thunderbird needs an escape character (or does it have one and I
just don't know it?).

Anyway, there should be a 'greater-than" sign in fron of the package
name, to mask all packages above it (which atm basically means all 2.6
series kernels).

Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] Emerging old kernel

[Edward Catmur]

On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 03:30 +0200, Holly Bostick wrote:
> > Don't forget to add
> > 
> > 
> > ">sys-kernel-2.4.28-r9"
> > 
> > 
> > to /etc/portage/package.mask.

Better would be to change profile to a 2.4 kernel profile. If you look
in /usr/portage/profiles/... you will see that (probably) under your
current profile there will be a 2.4 directory
e.g. /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2005.0/2.4/ which not only
sets kernel to 2.4 but also makes other changes to stay compatible e.g.
setting headers to 2.4 and setting dev-manager to devfsd instead of
udev. So switch your /etc/make.profile symlink to a 2.4 profile and all
will be happy. The wonders of Gentoo stackable profiles, indeed.

Ed

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Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird ">"

[Benno Schulenberg]

Holly Bostick wrote:
> What I meant to say was:
> > ">sys-kernel-2.4.28-r9"
>
> there should be a 'greater-than" sign in fron of the package name,

There was a greater-than for me, in KMail, also in your first mail.  
Apparently Thunderbird hides it from you.  But it should do that 
only for ">From " and nothing else.  Bug in TB?

Benno
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Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird ">"

[Holly Bostick]

Benno Schulenberg schreef:
> Holly Bostick wrote:
> 
>>What I meant to say was:
>>
>>>">sys-kernel-2.4.28-r9"
>>
>>there should be a 'greater-than" sign in fron of the package name,
> 
> 
> There was a greater-than for me, in KMail, also in your first mail.  
> Apparently Thunderbird hides it from you.  But it should do that 
> only for ">From " and nothing else.  Bug in TB?
> 
> Benno


Yes and no-- the ">" character is the symbol used to distinguish quotes
from regular text-- and Thunderbird converts this character to a colored
vertical line, so that quoted text looks like this when displayed:

| here is my quoted text
| and here is some more.

I don't have an issue with this behaviour in general (in fact, I like
the way quoted text is signified under normal circumstances). The
problem is that, in this particular case, the ">" character was the
first non-whitespace character in the line, and T-Bird had no way of
knowing that it was not intended to represent a traditional quote
signifier, but was meant to remain itself. That is, of course, the whole
point of escape characters; to tell the program in question that a
character it has a standard meaning for should in this particular case
not be "translated" to that meaning, but is meant to be "just itself".

The situation happens very rarely to me, but it's 'obvious' enough
(especially to programmers and scripters, who use escape characters all
the time) that I'm sure there must be some workaround for it for
Thunderbird (since this is Thunderbird-specific behaviour, which I have
noticed in the past, as well as the fact that KMail, for example, does
not do this); I just don't know what it is.

If there isn't, that *would* be a bug. I'll check MozillaZine and Google
later.... Mozdev seems to like to hide this stuff. If you've ever tried
to find the list of command-line switches for Netscape/Moz/Firefox on
the Internet, you'll know exactly what I mean.

Holly

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Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird ">"

[Peng]

On 7/9/05, Holly Bostick <motub@planet.nl> wrote:
> Benno Schulenberg schreef:
> > Holly Bostick wrote:
> >
> >>What I meant to say was:
> >>
> >>>">sys-kernel-2.4.28-r9"
> >>
> >>there should be a 'greater-than" sign in fron of the package name,
> >
> >
> > There was a greater-than for me, in KMail, also in your first mail.
> > Apparently Thunderbird hides it from you.  But it should do that
> > only for ">From " and nothing else.  Bug in TB?
> >
> > Benno
> 
> 
> Yes and no-- the ">" character is the symbol used to distinguish quotes
> from regular text-- and Thunderbird converts this character to a colored
> vertical line, so that quoted text looks like this when displayed:
> 
> | here is my quoted text
> | and here is some more.
> 
> I don't have an issue with this behaviour in general (in fact, I like
> the way quoted text is signified under normal circumstances). The
> problem is that, in this particular case, the ">" character was the
> first non-whitespace character in the line, and T-Bird had no way of
> knowing that it was not intended to represent a traditional quote
> signifier, but was meant to remain itself. That is, of course, the whole
> point of escape characters; to tell the program in question that a
> character it has a standard meaning for should in this particular case
> not be "translated" to that meaning, but is meant to be "just itself".
> 
> The situation happens very rarely to me, but it's 'obvious' enough
> (especially to programmers and scripters, who use escape characters all
> the time) that I'm sure there must be some workaround for it for
> Thunderbird (since this is Thunderbird-specific behaviour, which I have
> noticed in the past, as well as the fact that KMail, for example, does
> not do this); I just don't know what it is.
> 
> If there isn't, that *would* be a bug. I'll check MozillaZine and Google
> later.... Mozdev seems to like to hide this stuff. If you've ever tried
> to find the list of command-line switches for Netscape/Moz/Firefox on
> the Internet, you'll know exactly what I mean.
> 
> Holly

What do you mean about the command line switches? The Mozilla.org page
about them is right at the top if you Google "Mozilla command line".

Also, for Thunderbird, pretty much any character could be used, though
that character would be displayed, too, of course. I think even a pipe
would work. They are used for quotes sometimes, though, I think, so
maybe another character would be better.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird ">"

[Holly Bostick]

Peng schreef:
>>I'll check MozillaZine and Google
>>later.... Mozdev seems to like to hide this stuff. If you've ever tried
>>to find the list of command-line switches for Netscape/Moz/Firefox on
>>the Internet, you'll know exactly what I mean.
>>
>>Holly
> 
> 
> What do you mean about the command line switches? The Mozilla.org page
> about them is right at the top if you Google "Mozilla command line".

So it is.... now... but look at the date of this document:

Mozilla's Command Line Options
By Daniel Wang (May 7, 2003, revised June 02, 2004)

I've been using this program long, long, before this
(Netscape=>Mozilla=>Firefox, some 8 or 10 years, thus), and I'm much
more used to having a hard time finding this information (which is
basically the same as it has been since Netscape 4.3x, in terms of
starting the Profile Manager and such), than to it being easy.

It's good to know that it's much more readily available, though.

> 
> Also, for Thunderbird, pretty much any character could be used, though
> that character would be displayed, too, of course. I think even a pipe
> would work. They are used for quotes sometimes, though, I think, so
> maybe another character would be better.

Yes, the obvious workaround is to put double quotes around it as I did
in the edit. I just dislike that, because, to be thorough, you also then
have to add a "don't forget to remove the quotes" disclaimer in order to
be newbie-friendly.

But here, I can *probably* be a bit more lax and trust you all to be
clever enough to know that already :) .

Holly



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Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird ">"

[Richard Fish]

Holly Bostick wrote:

>The situation happens very rarely to me, but it's 'obvious' enough
>(especially to programmers and scripters, who use escape characters all
>the time) that I'm sure there must be some workaround for it for
>Thunderbird (since this is Thunderbird-specific behaviour, which I have
>noticed in the past, as well as the fact that KMail, for example, does
>not do this); I just don't know what it is.
>
>  
>

View->Message Source.

That will show you the un-adulterated original text of the message, but
it shows up in a second window.  If you find something to display the
actual message text in the normal display window, let me know!!!

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] Emerging old kernel

[Peng]

On 7/8/05, Holly Bostick <motub@planet.nl> wrote:
> Ian K schreef:
> > Hi there,
> > I need to get a 2.4 kernel onto a system, but
> > gentoo-sources now gives 2.6. I checked
> > gentoo-portage.com and it says that there is still a
> > 2.4  ebuild in the gentoo-sources package(?).
> 
> As indeed there is:
> 
> eix gentoo-sources
> * sys-kernel/gentoo-sources
>      Available versions:  2.4.28-r9 2.6.9-r9 2.6.10-r6 2.6.11-r8
> 2.6.11-r11 [M]2.6.12-r3 [M]2.6.12-r4
>      Installed:           2.6.11-r8 2.6.11-r11
>      Homepage:            http://dev.gentoo.org/~dsd/gentoo-dev-sources
>      Description:         Full sources including the gentoo patchset for
> the 2.6 kernel tree
> 
> 
> > How do I get it?
> 
> Try this:
> 
> emerge -av =sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.4.28-r9
> 
> 
> Don't forget to add
> 
> >sys-kernel-2.4.28-r9
> 
> to /etc/portage/package.mask, or Portage will keep trying to upgrade
> you. If there's a 2.4-series upgrade, that will also be blocked, but you
> are likely to be keeping an eye open for any such updates, and can
> adjust your package.mask accordingly.
> 
> > Thanks!!
> 
> HTH,
> Holly

Could it be possible to mask >sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.5 to block
all 2.6 kernels but no 2.4s?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Emerging old kernel

[Tero Grundström]

On Fri, 8 Jul 2005, Peng wrote:

> Could it be possible to mask >sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.5 to block
> all 2.6 kernels but no 2.4s?

That works and you'll also get the updates to the 2.4.x kernel with 
'emerge -u world'.


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