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R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+mx]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[confabulate@kintzios.com] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 919A91E0007 X-Archives-Salt: 1686744b-2f47-4ddd-ad2b-b30fd6b2be1f X-Archives-Hash: f9ddcbc6390cb09f6982e0a7e34fb9e9 --nextPart23850886.6Emhk5qWAg Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; protected-headers="v1" From: Michael To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: confabulate@kintzios.com Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2025 00:17:52 +0000 Message-ID: <1920618.CQOukoFCf9@rogueboard> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 On Thursday, 27 February 2025 19:12:38 Greenwich Mean Time Frank Steinmetzg= er=20 wrote: > Am Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 11:31:48AM +0000 schrieb Michael: > > Hmm ... AM4 socket CPUs could drive SATA x2 + PCIe x2 NVME M.2. I've r= ead > > that with AM5 CPUs it's all PCIe. You will have to hook any SATA drives > > on the PCIe, or perhaps externally via USB. >=20 > Uhm, not quite. It is true that the I/O die inside the AM4 CPUs supports > 2=C3=97SATA, which the I/O die in AM5 does not do anymore. But that doesn= =E2=80=99t mean > that boards don=E2=80=99t provide SATA. In fact, of all 206 AM5 boards li= sted in my > product comparison website, exactly one model does not have any SATA port= s. > And that=E2=80=99s because it=E2=80=99s a server board with a non-standar= d form factor and > Oculink instead. I didn't express this clearly. Yes, they can run SATA via the MoBo chipset= =20 (e.g. B650/E), but eat up PCIe 4.0 capacity. I've read about users=20 complaining their SATA SSD and SATA HDDs running slower on AM5 than AM4, bu= t I=20 don't have an AM5 so can't confirm.=20 > > The iGPU on AM5 can drive one dedicated display, while 3 more displays = can > > be hooked up to the USB-C ports as DP-alt mode. >=20 > What do you mean with one dedicated display? I've read this to mean one HDMI 4K display coming off the graphics core. =20 Lower resolutions using DPs (shared?). I haven't looked into this aspect i= n=20 more detail for more than a year now. A couple of MoBos I looked at mentio= ned=20 they only supported 3 displays at a time, so I took this to be an AM5 graph= ics=20 limitation. Later on I read something from AMD speaking of 4 displays. I= =20 don't know more about it. > According to > https://www.anandtech.com/show/17585/amd-zen-4-ryzen-9-7950x-and-ryzen-5-= 76 > 00x-review-retaking-the-high-end/3 the AM4 iGPU supports three displays, > AM5=E2=80=99s four. And it does not matter which connector you use, be it= HDMI=C2=B9, > DisplayPort, DVI or even VGA. I wasn't comparing AM4 to AM5 iGPUs. Although this video does offer a=20 comparison, which I expect won't be relevant to the OP's use case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DWiEmCOQi5rg --nextPart23850886.6Emhk5qWAg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. 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