[gentoo-user] Gentoo net0 - auto resetting - very impressed

[gentoo-user] Gentoo net0 - auto resetting - very impressed

[thelma]

After recent upgrade, I've noticed the my network connection auto
configure itself, depend which network I'm connected to.  Very
impressive.
Which configuration/program is responsible for it?

Lately I've installed Fedora core on my old eeepc and I very impressed
with the printer installation.  Fedora automatically recognized my
Brother HL-5730 printer and installed printer driver for it.

I wish Gentoo would be able to do it as well some day.

-- 
Thelma

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo net0 - auto resetting - very impressed

[Mick]

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On Sunday 13 Sep 2015 19:14:55 thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
> After recent upgrade, I've noticed the my network connection auto
> configure itself, depend which network I'm connected to.  Very
> impressive.
> Which configuration/program is responsible for it?

If you are running openrc, then I'm guessing that it would be the default 
setting which starts dhcpcd.

If you running ifplugd then it would be that daemon which starts dhcpcd when a 
link becomes live.


> Lately I've installed Fedora core on my old eeepc and I very impressed
> with the printer installation.  Fedora automatically recognized my
> Brother HL-5730 printer and installed printer driver for it.
> 
> I wish Gentoo would be able to do it as well some day.

I seriously hope that my Gentoo does not install anything without asking me.  
I don't mind being notified about a driver, or kernel component, but only when 
I take an action relevant to the particular component.  Having things being 
installed on *my* computer should be down to me to decide and down to me to 
initiate.

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Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo net0 - auto resetting - very impressed

[thelma]

On 09/13/2015 04:01 PM, Mick wrote:
> On Sunday 13 Sep 2015 19:14:55 thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
>> After recent upgrade, I've noticed the my network connection auto
>> configure itself, depend which network I'm connected to.  Very
>> impressive.
>> Which configuration/program is responsible for it?
> 
> If you are running openrc, then I'm guessing that it would be the default 
> setting which starts dhcpcd.
> 
> If you running ifplugd then it would be that daemon which starts dhcpcd when a 
> link becomes live.
> 
> 
>> Lately I've installed Fedora core on my old eeepc and I very impressed
>> with the printer installation.  Fedora automatically recognized my
>> Brother HL-5730 printer and installed printer driver for it.
>>
>> I wish Gentoo would be able to do it as well some day.
> 
> I seriously hope that my Gentoo does not install anything without asking me.  
> I don't mind being notified about a driver, or kernel component, but only when 
> I take an action relevant to the particular component.  Having things being 
> installed on *my* computer should be down to me to decide and down to me to 
> initiate.

I didn't mean auto installation, even Fedora doesn't do that.
When I go to add printer the program should be able to go to vendor
web-page, find the printer driver and install it.

Thelma

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo net0 - auto resetting - very impressed

[Emanuele Rusconi]

>> On Sunday 13 Sep 2015 19:14:55 thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Fedora automatically recognized my
>>> Brother HL-5730 printer and installed printer driver for it.
>>>
>>> I wish Gentoo would be able to do it as well some day.

Gentoo should be already able to do that NOW, it's just a matter of
installing the pieces of software that do that.
I don't use Fedora or Gnome and I print once every couple of years, so
I can't help you here, but you could use htop to try to figure out
what software is running on Fedora.

-- Emanuele Rusconi

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo net0 - auto resetting - very impressed

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sunday 13 September 2015 12:14:55 thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:

> Lately I've installed Fedora core on my old eeepc and I very impressed
> with the printer installation.  Fedora automatically recognized my
> Brother HL-5730 printer and installed printer driver for it.
> 
> I wish Gentoo would be able to do it as well some day.

CUPS already does that.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo net0 - auto resetting - very impressed

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 12:14:55 -0600, thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:

> Lately I've installed Fedora core on my old eeepc and I very impressed
> with the printer installation.  Fedora automatically recognized my
> Brother HL-5730 printer and installed printer driver for it.
> 
> I wish Gentoo would be able to do it as well some day.

Most distros come with clever wizard type programs that try to guess what
you need and do it for you. With Gentoo there is only one wizard, you!

The idea of having software make decisions for you is exactly what
differentiates other distros from Gentoo.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Sleep is an excellent way of listening to an opera. - James Stephens
(1882-1950)

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[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo net0 - auto resetting - very impressed

[james]

 <thelma <at> sys-concept.com> writes:



> Lately I've installed Fedora core on my old eeepc and I very impressed
> with the printer installation.  Fedora automatically recognized my
> Brother HL-5730 printer and installed printer driver for it.

I have a brother J6710-DW printer that I have tried, unsuccessfully
in the past to set up on Gentoo. Brother is borked on Gentoo. Don't believe
me read the recent post from Patrick Lauer on planet.gentoo.org. Patrick
offer up a simplified way that he was able to get his brother printer
running via IPP and a postscript filter.


> I wish Gentoo would be able to do it as well some day.

Yea, I almost had mine working but I just got tired of hacking
away at it. It would be more straightforward to take an rpm or deb
package and use it. Folks have made specific models work, but, it
is a bit of work.

'eix -R brother' shows quite a few overlays (ebuilds) that cover
a range of brother printers, should you desire to hack that route.


hth,
James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo net0 - auto resetting - very impressed

[thelma]

On 09/15/2015 01:47 PM, james wrote:
>  <thelma <at> sys-concept.com> writes:
> 
> 
> 
>> Lately I've installed Fedora core on my old eeepc and I very impressed
>> with the printer installation.  Fedora automatically recognized my
>> Brother HL-5730 printer and installed printer driver for it.
> 
> I have a brother J6710-DW printer that I have tried, unsuccessfully
> in the past to set up on Gentoo. Brother is borked on Gentoo. Don't believe
> me read the recent post from Patrick Lauer on planet.gentoo.org. Patrick
> offer up a simplified way that he was able to get his brother printer
> running via IPP and a postscript filter.
> 
> 
>> I wish Gentoo would be able to do it as well some day.
> 
> Yea, I almost had mine working but I just got tired of hacking
> away at it. It would be more straightforward to take an rpm or deb
> package and use it. Folks have made specific models work, but, it
> is a bit of work.
> 
> 'eix -R brother' shows quite a few overlays (ebuilds) that cover
> a range of brother printers, should you desire to hack that route.


To install brother printer just follow these steps from Gentoo forum:
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-909052-highlight-brother.html


Thelma

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo net0 - auto resetting - very impressed

[Alan McKinnon]

On 15/09/2015 21:53, thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
> On 09/15/2015 01:47 PM, james wrote:
>>  <thelma <at> sys-concept.com> writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Lately I've installed Fedora core on my old eeepc and I very impressed
>>> with the printer installation.  Fedora automatically recognized my
>>> Brother HL-5730 printer and installed printer driver for it.
>>
>> I have a brother J6710-DW printer that I have tried, unsuccessfully
>> in the past to set up on Gentoo. Brother is borked on Gentoo. Don't believe
>> me read the recent post from Patrick Lauer on planet.gentoo.org. Patrick
>> offer up a simplified way that he was able to get his brother printer
>> running via IPP and a postscript filter.
>>
>>
>>> I wish Gentoo would be able to do it as well some day.
>>
>> Yea, I almost had mine working but I just got tired of hacking
>> away at it. It would be more straightforward to take an rpm or deb
>> package and use it. Folks have made specific models work, but, it
>> is a bit of work.
>>
>> 'eix -R brother' shows quite a few overlays (ebuilds) that cover
>> a range of brother printers, should you desire to hack that route.
> 
> 
> To install brother printer just follow these steps from Gentoo forum:
> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-909052-highlight-brother.html



Or just don't install Brother printers. They are utter crap and why
anyone gives them desk space is beyond me. It's not like they are
expensive either, toss 'em and buy something real.

Recent Samsung, Epson and everything supported by hplip all work great.


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo net0 - auto resetting - very impressed

[thelma]

On 09/15/2015 01:58 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 15/09/2015 21:53, thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
[snip]
>
>>> Yea, I almost had mine working but I just got tired of hacking
>>> away at it. It would be more straightforward to take an rpm or deb
>>> package and use it. Folks have made specific models work, but, it
>>> is a bit of work.
>>>
>>> 'eix -R brother' shows quite a few overlays (ebuilds) that cover
>>> a range of brother printers, should you desire to hack that route.
>>
>>
>> To install brother printer just follow these steps from Gentoo forum:
>> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-909052-highlight-brother.html
> 
> 
> 
> Or just don't install Brother printers. They are utter crap and why
> anyone gives them desk space is beyond me. It's not like they are
> expensive either, toss 'em and buy something real.
> 
> Recent Samsung, Epson and everything supported by hplip all work great.

I had a different experience with Samsung printers.  I bought one model
and it had a big bold letters that it works with Linux.
When I try to install printer driver, it was impossible. It came with
some kind of script the relied on an old/obsolete library so it was
impossible to install it.

On Fedora, script installs brother printer base on Brother source
web-page driver, it works perfectly.  On Gentoo it is a manual/painful
setup if you doing it the first time.

Thelma

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo net0 - auto resetting - very impressed

[Alan McKinnon]

On 16/09/2015 00:49, thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
> On 09/15/2015 01:58 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On 15/09/2015 21:53, thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
> [snip]
>>
>>>> Yea, I almost had mine working but I just got tired of hacking
>>>> away at it. It would be more straightforward to take an rpm or deb
>>>> package and use it. Folks have made specific models work, but, it
>>>> is a bit of work.
>>>>
>>>> 'eix -R brother' shows quite a few overlays (ebuilds) that cover
>>>> a range of brother printers, should you desire to hack that route.
>>>
>>>
>>> To install brother printer just follow these steps from Gentoo forum:
>>> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-909052-highlight-brother.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Or just don't install Brother printers. They are utter crap and why
>> anyone gives them desk space is beyond me. It's not like they are
>> expensive either, toss 'em and buy something real.
>>
>> Recent Samsung, Epson and everything supported by hplip all work great.
> 
> I had a different experience with Samsung printers.  I bought one model
> and it had a big bold letters that it works with Linux.
> When I try to install printer driver, it was impossible. It came with
> some kind of script the relied on an old/obsolete library so it was
> impossible to install it.

Samsung did that once 10 years ago, and slashdot made them pay with
ridicule.

Samsung is a very unusual company, they take note of their mistakes and
fix them very quickly. Their latest printers do not make that same
stupid mistake; mine is a recent colour laser and the cheapest in the
range. Doesn't even have a display or keyboard so it creates it's own
ad-hoc wifi connection so you can connect and configure in a browser.
Once it's on your real network, it all JustWorks(tm) and understands
postscript, PCL, SPL and ipp.

Drivers? What drivers? It's bog standard PCL so the generic ppds all
work. None of this stupid bloody nonsense of the printer implementing a
weird once-off control language that only works on one model and is a
pain to set up. The value in a printer is fast, accurate printing with
cost-effective inks/toners and that doesn't piss off the customer base.

Samsung knows this and it's apparent in all there products for years
now. Witness their Android phones

> 
> On Fedora, script installs brother printer base on Brother source
> web-page driver, it works perfectly.  On Gentoo it is a manual/painful
> setup if you doing it the first time.


This has been explained to you several times already. Fedora takes pains
to automate such things as-shipped as a convenience for their userbase.
It's their contract with them and at the heart of the distro they build.

Gentoo does not offer such a distro. Gentoo offers a highly customizable
source-based distro where you can get what _you_ want, the price you pay
is that you have to do the nice neat user-facing convenience parts
yourself - things like drivers, icon themes, choice of wm and more.
Gentoo has never, and never will, offer an ebuild like that brother
printer by default.


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo net0 - auto resetting - very impressed

[Stroller]

On Wed, 16 September 2015, at 7:22 am, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:

> Their latest printers do not make that same
> stupid mistake; mine is a recent colour laser and the cheapest in the
> range. Doesn't even have a display or keyboard so it creates it's own
> ad-hoc wifi connection so you can connect and configure in a browser.
> Once it's on your real network, it all JustWorks(tm) and understands
> postscript, PCL, SPL and ipp.

What model is this, please?

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo net0 - auto resetting - very impressed

[Alan McKinnon]

On 17/09/2015 08:45, Stroller wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 16 September 2015, at 7:22 am, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Their latest printers do not make that same
>> stupid mistake; mine is a recent colour laser and the cheapest in the
>> range. Doesn't even have a display or keyboard so it creates it's own
>> ad-hoc wifi connection so you can connect and configure in a browser.
>> Once it's on your real network, it all JustWorks(tm) and understands
>> postscript, PCL, SPL and ipp.
> 
> What model is this, please?


C410W

It's a simple basic home colour laser printer


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo net0 - auto resetting - very impressed

[Stroller]

>> On Wed, 16 September 2015, at 7:22 am, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Their latest printers do not make that same
>>> stupid mistake; mine is a recent colour laser and the cheapest in the
>>> range. Doesn't even have a display or keyboard so it creates it's own
>>> ad-hoc wifi connection so you can connect and configure in a browser.
>>> Once it's on your real network, it all JustWorks(tm) and understands
>>> postscript, PCL, SPL and ipp.
>> 
>> What model is this, please?
> 
> C410W
> 
> It's a simple basic home colour laser printer

Thanks.