From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BDE2138A2F for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 08:32:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 73CE2E0C2F; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 08:32:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpq1.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq1.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.164]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF5FE0BC2 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 08:32:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.34.136] (helo=smtp5.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq1.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XH7V8-00076F-E9 for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:32:14 +0200 Received: from 53579160.cm-6-8c.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([83.87.145.96] helo=data.antarean.org) by smtp5.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XH7V8-0005F9-4R for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:32:14 +0200 Received: from andromeda.localnet (unknown [10.20.13.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8E1C64C for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:31:59 +0200 (CEST) From: "J. Roeleveld" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] unclear (to me) errors from portage Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:32:05 +0200 Message-ID: <1859980.aMyusV1vII@andromeda> Organization: Antarean User-Agent: KMail/4.12.5 (Linux/3.14.14-gentoo; KDE/4.12.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <53E9B640.3080507@gmail.com> References: <87egwrzmcx.fsf@nyu.edu> <3913299.blVAWFiYDA@andromeda> <53E9B640.3080507@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Ziggo-spambar: ---- X-Ziggo-spamscore: -4.9 X-Ziggo-spamreport: ALL_TRUSTED=-1,BAYES_00=-1.9,PROLO_TRUST_RDNS=-3,RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Flag: No X-Archives-Salt: b3ea1699-4842-4b47-875e-e6a4a819625e X-Archives-Hash: 2a2f9ab58488de01b34c74f2cb4359c1 On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 08:37:52 AM Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 12/08/2014 07:43, J. Roeleveld wrote: > >> Plus, I refuse under any circumstances to run Gentoo on production > >> > >> > unless it's backed by a huge build farm or I have a large cluster that > >> > are all identical and have very special needs. > > > > I use Gentoo exclusively on the servers and desktops at home. I find it > > easier and more logical to maintain. > > I do have a VM dedicated to building binary packages though. > > I just got really tired of eternally being The Only One In The Place Who > Knows Gentoo(tm) and who doesn't blindly "emerge -uND world" on a remote > box then walk away.... People who do that should be taken outside behind the chemical shed and shot... > At least with apt and yum juniors can be trained fairly quickly to do > reliable world updates safely. This keeps the boss off my neck. That > makes me happy. I've seen installations start acting really weird because sysadmins decided to update a redhat box the official way (yum). Those usually ended up with backups being restored. It doesn't matter which distribution you use, you still need to test updates on a seperate environment first to ensure all the software running on the environment will still work post-upgrade. > On my personal servers and laptops, it will take on the order of atomic > warfare to make me give up my beloved Gentoo there :-) Hehe, same here. -- Joost