From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QumTH-0004HS-Tf for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:24:24 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C472D21C263; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:24:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E71721C043 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:22:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyg36 with SMTP id 36so3597485wyg.40 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 07:22:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=byrS11p4g8Ke7M990pWZTKSFysLcr/YXF6HBtk9H+m4=; b=cSg5WqDt01wzNm9Aa0uCy41xLBTwmUbRgJoq98lkLO+ahcwXkbu6Ha5IyXLyzo9oe5 1mr/APWdPNxhDypnhQ4d89KhRi4L8OpGozfWkGEvnEIFMeUEU0N7it8pUq5iGvzbnTUY YEAUkO+WHrOu+teJR8+KJcIHTV/Eg6x9WiTko= Received: by 10.216.46.75 with SMTP id q53mr417994web.65.1313850151390; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 07:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nazgul.localnet (196-210-153-55.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.210.153.55]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j11sm2800112wed.18.2011.08.20.07.22.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 20 Aug 2011 07:22:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:22:17 +0200 Message-ID: <18511935.mhS6PC99MT@nazgul> User-Agent: KMail/4.7.0 (Linux/2.6.39-ck-r2; KDE/4.7.0; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <201108201429.17095.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> References: <201108191109.34984.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <20110820135942.23794f5d@memphis.local> <201108201429.17095.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 8fd716e984e324679fe036667903300b On Sat 20 August 2011 14:29:15 Mick did opine thusly: > On Saturday 20 Aug 2011 13:59:42 David W Noon wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 03:48:18 -0500, Dale wrote about "Re: > > [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot": > > > > [snip] > > > > >I wish you could convince the devs of that. I already have > > >/var on its own and was planning to put /usr on its own. I'm > > >not now tho. Looks like /, /boot, /home and that's it for the > > >OS part. It downright sucks. > > > > I have also been following the discussion on gentoo-dev, > > although I currently only lurk there. I was going to register > > and post with a suggestion that everything should be on the > > root partition; that way we could rename it C: and be compliant > > with the "industry standard". > > > > However, it gets worse: one cannot safely fsck a partition or > > logical volume once it has been mounted. As things currently > > stand, there are no statically linked fsck modules for > > ext2/3/4, as static linkage was dropped from e2fsprogs about 3 > > years ago. This means for fsck to run inside an initramfs or > > intrd, the image will have to contain glibc, libpthread and a > > whole slew of other large libraries in order to run e2fsck with > > dynamic linkage. The initramfs will end up being *many* times > > larger than the kernel itself. [On my systems, the vmlinuz file > > is only about 1.8 megs, and glibc alone makes that look really > > puny.] > > > > Welcome to progress. > > This is madness. Is there anything we can do to stop it? Fork. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com