From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32D4B1382C5 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 15:14:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DCCEE09D7; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 15:14:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw.thundermail.uk (mail-gw.thundermail.uk [149.255.60.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A47BE09AD for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 15:14:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailgw01.thundermail.uk (mail-gw.thundermail.uk [149.255.60.66]) by mail-gw.thundermail.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D2DE6032FE7 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 16:14:47 +0100 (BST) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1591974886-05541315a6267fde0001-LfjuLa Received: from cloud307.thundercloud.uk (cloud307.thundercloud.uk [149.255.58.40]) by mailgw01.thundermail.uk with ESMTP id L0ZGplWCOouumUJN (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 16:14:46 +0100 (BST) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: confabulate@kintzios.com X-Barracuda-Effective-Source-IP: cloud307.thundercloud.uk[149.255.58.40] X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 149.255.58.40 Received: from lenovo.localdomain (230.3.169.217.in-addr.arpa [217.169.3.230]) by cloud307.thundercloud.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 71BAEC84CF5 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 16:14:45 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kintzios.com; s=default; t=1591974885; bh=jfPCkNbCKl3zKSlecebOp54L5SmTSmHO6613guS9Jl0=; h=From:To:Subject; b=Hnt+JyA30kiFXp7WGfTbE22FPAueKiFqgujCXKhldF+Z5m0SCeORp8VPyUSlP5SXG /YOudhv7ZgBeF4RyD1NfnJG1lNnZAoErxER0rK+9lU25vd3S0mh0tR8kCsFJrmk28o AzfjgA3828DqOeZYBwfyIv8ke2uKDNUfdoXczNiY= Authentication-Results: cloud307.thundercloud.uk; spf=pass (sender IP is 217.169.3.230) smtp.mailfrom=confabulate@kintzios.com smtp.helo=lenovo.localdomain Received-SPF: pass (cloud307.thundercloud.uk: connection is authenticated) From: Michael To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] "masked by: EAPI 7" trying up update "portage" - how to proceed Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 16:14:45 +0100 X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [gentoo-user] "masked by: EAPI 7" trying up update "portage" - how to proceed Message-ID: <1845251.usQuhbGJ8B@lenovo.localdomain> In-Reply-To: References: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3233975.QJadu78ljV"; micalg="pgp-sha256"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-PPP-Message-ID: <20200612151445.2153064.23344@cloud307.thundercloud.uk> X-PPP-Vhost: kintzios.com X-Barracuda-Connect: cloud307.thundercloud.uk[149.255.58.40] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1591974886 X-Barracuda-Encrypted: ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 X-Barracuda-URL: https://149.255.60.66:443/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at thundermail.uk X-Barracuda-Scan-Msg-Size: 2611 X-Barracuda-BRTS-Status: 1 X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=1.9 tests= X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.3.82502 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- X-Archives-Salt: 7d6329ab-96b3-4f1f-bb9d-061d25f59da5 X-Archives-Hash: 54d274248079c875dba0d46f7c38a004 --nextPart3233975.QJadu78ljV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Friday, 12 June 2020 16:05:04 BST Jack wrote: > On 2020.06.12 10:38, Michael wrote: > > On Friday, 12 June 2020 15:00:25 BST Jack wrote: > >> What about some sort of tagging? Not bundling or packaging, just > >> occasional (quarterly?) labels, with a matrix indicating how > >> difficult it would be to upgrade. A hint to folks who tend to > >> update less often than they should. A "heads up" that things added > >> or upgraded in the past quarter are going to be very difficult to do > >> if you are starting with something more than three/five/...? > >> quarters older than that. Of course, I suppose if you read the news > >> items as they are released, then you should have a pretty good idea > >> of which of them are likely to bite you if you wait too long. > > > > Perhaps I misunderstand this, but isn't it as simple as booting off a > > LiveCD/ USB, chrooting, changing profiles, cleaning up world file and > > letting rip with a full 'emerge -e' @system, followed by @world for > > good measure? > > The issue I was addressing is not how to upgrade, but whether Gentoo > could have some sort of release cycle decreasing the chance of delayed > updates becoming a nightmare. Unfortunately, it seems there isn't much > point, because folks who delay upgrading until it becomes painful, if > not close to impossible, probably won't take such hints anyway. > > However (and I"m just musing here) I wonder if you could do an "emerge > --sync," drop a new stage 3 tarball over the existing installation, Ughh! I wouldn't try that on a system I want to keep. :-) It is cleaner to back up /etc and world, plus any databases under /var/lib or wherever they may be residing, then delete the filesystem and download a fresh Stage 3, and restore any config/data files needed from the backup. It will be an overall cleaner and faster approach with no cruft left behind from the old fs. > and > then do "emerge -e @system" followed by "emerge -u @world?" (including > other appropriate parameters.) This is a proposal I made earlier which makes sense if you try to recover a system with a borked toolchain. However, with a new Stage 3 install re- emerging @world is all that's needed, after a fresh portage re-sync. > To answer a question from a different sub-thread, if you can > successfully update @world, there's no need to do @system first. > However, if @world has too many problems, it can be easier to upgrade > @system, and then work through the rest a few packages at a time. Yes, you are right, see my paragraph above. --nextPart3233975.QJadu78ljV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. 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