From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JE4Kv-0006JL-Tp for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:01:22 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 89015E09B5; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:00:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4AC0E09B3 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:00:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C60F65795 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:00:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -0.751 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.751 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.752, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wwMcJA9CyBu6 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:00:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD69658B7 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JE4K5-0004Nc-GH for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:00:29 +0000 Received: from 84-72-87-192.dclient.hispeed.ch ([84.72.87.192]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:00:29 +0000 Received: from michael.schmarck by 84-72-87-192.dclient.hispeed.ch with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:00:29 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: Michael Schmarck Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead? Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:00:20 +0100 Message-ID: <1830004.gWofZTWkL2@michael-schmarck.my-fqdn.de> References: <20080111082729.GA12107@localhost> <20080112141853.6339fc0f@osage.osagesoftware.com> <47892E37.9000900@gmail.com> <200801131053.20335.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <4789FA54.8010407@smash-net.org> <478A05AB.1040400@gmail.com> <20080113141536.7cdc8115@loonquawl.digimed.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 84-72-87-192.dclient.hispeed.ch User-Agent: KNode/0.10.5 Sender: news Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 18435b43-e671-4f00-9dfb-1f8a3f3632ef X-Archives-Hash: 97d1d6b521c6c5c2d160c6d8d51bc0de =C2=B7 Neil Bothwick : > On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:35:55 +0100, b.n. wrote: >=20 >> > But i still think a Gentoo-Install-CD/DVD is a good thing. =20 >>=20 >> Any practical reason for that? >=20 > It is a lot more comfortable for the first-time installer. Why's that? > One of the=20 > problems with mixing components for various sources is knowing where to > turn for help when things go wrong. A single source means a single poin= t > of contact, and no chance of each supplier blaming the other's componen= t. In theory, that's true. But can you point to bugs, mailing list submissions or maybe forum posts, which indicate that there are problems because something's done in a chroot originating from a non-Gentoo system which would not exist, if the chroot were started from a Gentoo system (the Gentoo Install CD)? > While a Gentoo install CD is not essential for installing Gentoo, it is= a > good thing to have. Depends. I'd rather say, that it is rather superfluous. > It also allows you to install without a network=20 > connection if you have a single CD containing the handbook, tools, > portage snapshot and stage files.=20 How do you get that stuff (the Install CD)? By downloading? Why can't you download the handbook, snapshot and stage tar ball as well at that time? And what "tools" are you talking about? fdisk? chroot? > So while an official install disc is not necessary for installation for > many people, it is a part of what Gentoo should offer.=20 I disagree. Maybe it's a bonus if it's offered, but then it "always" has to be up-to-date. And that, obviously, cannot be done right now. So I'd rather say, that it would be better, if there were no install CD at all. Michael Schmarck --=20 He is considered a most graceful speaker who can say nothing in the most = words. --=20 gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list