[gentoo-user] Re: Bouncing messages from gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org

[gentoo-user] Re: Bouncing messages from gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org

[james]

On 1/13/20 11:32 AM, gentoo-user+owner@lists.gentoo.org wrote:
> 
> Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this
> message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your
> information.
> 
> Here is the list of the bounced messages:
> - 189231
> 
> 


Anyone else getting these?

James

[gentoo-user] Re: Bouncing messages from gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org

[Nuno Silva]

On 2020-01-13, james wrote:

> On 1/13/20 11:32 AM, gentoo-user+owner@lists.gentoo.org wrote:
>>
>> Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this
>> message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your
>> information.
>>
>> Here is the list of the bounced messages:
>> - 189231

How does one get to the message from that number? Is it possible to get
an URL to the archived copy at http://archives.gentoo.org/ using that
number?

> Anyone else getting these?

It might just be the DMARC policy thing again. 

Here's a thread from last October/November about a similar message:
https://marc.info/?t=157253734300001

-- 
Nuno Silva

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bouncing messages from gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 13 Jan 2020 22:24:51 +0000, (Nuno Silva) wrote:

> >> Here is the list of the bounced messages:
> >> - 189231  
> 
> How does one get to the message from that number?

Look at the List-Help header in any message. Following that returns a
list of commands you can send to the listserv.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bouncing messages from gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org

[james]

On 1/13/20 5:24 PM, (Nuno Silva) wrote:
> On 2020-01-13, james wrote:
> 
>> On 1/13/20 11:32 AM, gentoo-user+owner@lists.gentoo.org wrote:
>>>
>>> Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this
>>> message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your
>>> information.
>>>
>>> Here is the list of the bounced messages:
>>> - 189231
> 
> How does one get to the message from that number? Is it possible to get
> an URL to the archived copy at http://archives.gentoo.org/ using that
> number?
> 
>> Anyone else getting these?
> 
> It might just be the DMARC policy thing again.
> 
> Here's a thread from last October/November about a similar message:
> https://marc.info/?t=157253734300001
> 


It's my list emails, where I start a new subject. Usually, I can reply 
to an existing thread without issue.

I've read this and still do not know what *I* need to do to fix this, or 
implement a workaround. I use thunderbird-(Installed versions:  68.4.1).


So some explicit pathways to a solution/workaround would be appreciated. 
I also have a "free" limited/restricted email address::
'dtfrag@protonmail.com'  not sure if using this address would fix 
things. The nice thing about 'thunderbird'
is I have a vast amount of saved emails, and it has worked flawlessly, 
until these bounced messages started this year.

I've read through that aforementioned thread, but, being old and slow, I 
did not see a fix for me. Perhaps gentoo runs a mail server, if I setup 
with proxy-maintainer?

I was trying to post a new about MESOS 'A distributed systems kernel'. 
Back in 2015 I have a working EAPI-5 gentoo ebuild, which I have 
locally. Upgraded to
Mesos-1.9.0 via EAPI 7(or ?) was the guidance I was looking for.

So can I get a gentoo-rookie-proxy mail server access?
I'm quite certain *MY* issues are due to how Verizon
administers the mail services. Often, when I fire up Thunderbird, it 
pucks for a few hours, then starts working with repetitive sends and 
pulls. I guess it finally reverts back to something that works for 
Thunderbird. I've been using thunderbird for a very, very long time and 
have little desire to stop using thunderbird, as my main email system. 
Now setting up
an easy-to-admin mail system(s) that is thunderbird friendly;  I'm all 
ears. I may be getting a single static IP, to facilitate just that, from 
Verizon or ?.


Any help via this list or direct is most appreciated.

James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bouncing messages from gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org

[Mick]

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On Tuesday, 14 January 2020 13:39:57 GMT you wrote:
> On 1/13/20 5:24 PM, (Nuno Silva) wrote:
> > On 2020-01-13, james wrote:
> >> On 1/13/20 11:32 AM, gentoo-user+owner@lists.gentoo.org wrote:
> >>> Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this
> >>> message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your
> >>> information.
> >>> 
> >>> Here is the list of the bounced messages:
> >>> - 189231
> > 
> > How does one get to the message from that number? 

In order to receive an email of the bounced message you can send an empty 
message to the mailing list server, with the number of the message which was 
bounced in the address, e.g. to receive a copy of the above message number 
"189231", send this to the list:

gentoo-user+get-189231@lists.gentoo.org

HOWEVER ... your mailserver may still bounce the resent message.  I just tried 
to retrieve it manually, only for it to be bounced again silently by Gmail.  
If I hadn't received another notice for the same bounced message number by the 
M/L address 'gentoo-user+owner@lists.gentoo.org', I wouldn't know Gmail 
bounced it once more.  :-/


> > Is it possible to get
> > an URL to the archived copy at http://archives.gentoo.org/ using that
> > number?

Hmm ... not sure if this is possible, or I don't know how to receive bounced 
messages via http.  The way I do it is by following a process of elimination.  
I check an online M/L archive service and the bounced message is the one I 
have not received out of the list of recent messages.


> >> Anyone else getting these?

Yep. I do, but it may well be related to me using a Gmail to receive messages 
and Gmail may be rejecting the odd message for some reason.  I have not added 
any recipients to a blacklist myself, so this is a Gmail action.


> > It might just be the DMARC policy thing again.
> > 
> > Here's a thread from last October/November about a similar message:
> > https://marc.info/?t=157253734300001
> 
> It's my list emails, where I start a new subject. Usually, I can reply
> to an existing thread without issue.

Hi James.  I did receive your email yesterday from your verizon email address 
about Mesos, via the M/L.  It was titled "mesos updated ebuild advice?".  Your 
messages are being delivered to this M/L and Gmail distributes them without 
bouncing as far as I can surmise:

https://marc.info/?l=gentoo-user&m=157895127422780

The messages which seem to be bounced by Gmail are sent by Mr. Alan Grimes.  
The most recent bounced message was yesterday, titled "WTF is up with mysqld?"


> I've read this and still do not know what *I* need to do to fix this, or
> implement a workaround. I use thunderbird-(Installed versions:  68.4.1).

Nothing you need to do.  If people do not respond to a message it could well 
mean they have nothing valuable to add, rather than they haven't received it.

-- 
Regards,

Mick

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[gentoo-user] Re: Bouncing messages from gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org

[james]

On 1/25/20 12:32 PM, gentoo-user+owner@lists.gentoo.org wrote:
> 
> Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this
> message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your
> information.
> 
> Here is the list of the bounced messages:
> - 189317
> 
> 


Getting these messages again. They 'had disappeared for a while...'

Verizon mail server system is aweful, so I'm still working on a 
permanent solution. Anyway

subject:: maintainer-needed tools?



So,

https://qa-reports.gentoo.org/output/maintainer-needed.html

and

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Proxy_Maintainers/User_Guide#Proxied_Maintainer_gets


I use lots of these old packages, on old installs, and with minimal 
(some embedded) devices. So I feel like I should help maintain some of 
them; especially the ones I use. Many have (3 zeros) Open bugs:: for 
R-revdeps, D-revdep and P-revdeps. So here are some questions/requests 
for tools or useful scripts that provided some extended functionality.


1. Is there a 'tool/script' that searches (matches) this need-matainer 
list vs what I have installed? That sort of quick tool would allow 
everyone to quickly check to see if what they have/need is on the 
poverty list.....
thus encouraging folks to 'adopt' some of these old codes; ymmv.


2. I have many old, james_created, eapi-5 ebuilds locally on my systems. 
I'd like a way to keep them organized separately, but yet have one 
master list to work off of. Ideas/suggestions how to organized this?

I currently place  ebuilds  of others in
/var/lib/layman. My ebuilds and codes are mostly in /usr/local/portage.

I probably should have another dir, just for embedded gentoo (centric) 
devices..... but one master gui to easily view what code are where. 
Perhaps distinguish the builds, the ebuilds that do not yet work, and 
the raw C codes?


3. 
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Proxy_Maintainers/User_Guide#Proxied_Maintainer_gets


Perhaps one of the devs could throw up a quick gentoo doc, on suggested 
tools? Perhaps the proxy-maintainers have organized the tools and howtos 
and other info/intel, so an old, challenged hack like myself can quickly 
become 'literate' with the latest and best methods to maintain some of 
these old codes? I'm not necessarily up on the latest, most-efficient 
ways to organize lots of codes, ebuilds and otherwise.


4. I have not had the time to fully digest git*, so some simple 
examples, centric to helping to maintain these old codes, would be a 
very positive idea, to encourage folks to commit to helping, beyond 
'repoman vs CI'. Perhaps Proxy-maintainers has some examples, I've missed?


5. An additional column to newer codes that supersede these old codes 
would optimize the decisions that helpers make of where to invest their 
time wisely. Perhaps an additional column point to newer/better codes?


6. An additional column that points out the entries that are 
based/depend  on python2_7? Or just a parsed listing of such ebuilds.


Any other ideas/suggestions are most welcome.


James