From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R5hD3-0001bb-SP for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:00:46 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9366321C217; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:00:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f53.google.com (mail-fx0-f53.google.com [209.85.161.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91F321C074 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:57:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-fx0-f53.google.com with SMTP id 2so4880190fxh.40 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:57:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=7alntb8YwG1y8vlW1rwisvZeVQJ89QGUsNGYdCFXHJI=; b=Yb7zTPG6bpMONgAr6mSAAHV9JxCV3uycaVaC+vXluAxpReMRZQQ6SuVSk+IY8ePnzD nbD0xoyZhkCNeF/Ps7JYxYSNExut13WkJkfv2qSOevU8NHVO3huD9/zq2yBOfriYNDB/ RbNNANHSs8ctXvdqf/zhspFKy/miUT/6rMyaY= Received: by 10.223.48.86 with SMTP id q22mr2463143faf.127.1316451421347; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localnet (p4FC74389.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. [79.199.67.137]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y8sm1253483faj.10.2011.09.19.09.56.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:57:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Volker Armin Hemmann To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT rant] udev + /usr Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 23:06:18 +0200 Message-ID: <1771036.0hy0caUTvG@localhost> User-Agent: KMail/4.7.1 (Linux/3.0.4; KDE/4.7.1; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <20110912150248.GB3599@acm.acm> <4E762DD1.2000007@coolmail.se> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: d04ff63810145982c61983d1ddd1e9f9 Am Sonntag 18 September 2011, 15:52:16 schrieb Michael Mol: > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:43 PM, pk wrote: > > I think you need to take a closer look; it does support a lot of > > "modern" parts of the "stack" (as you call it); it's just focused on the > > things that matters (for an embedded system). It is the mindset that I'm > > after; it seems even kernel developers are thinking "oh, we have so much > > memory here so it doesn't matter if we use a few GB here" (yes, I'm > > exaggerating). Intel and AMD can't increase the clocks anymore so > > they've started to throw more hardware on the ever increasing demand for > > computing power... there will be a time when the "bloat" will take it's > > toll on more users. > > The kernel configuration process is actually very nice and very easy. > You an remove any features you don't want or need. (I'm referring to, > e.g. menuconfig. I haven't really used genkernel) > > The first time's the hardest. After you know what parts you need for a > given box, it's easy. > > >> Many of us actually like the modern features of the kernel, glibc, > >> udev, dbus, systemd, pulseaudio, glib, X.org, GStreamer, Gtk+ and > > > > There's a lot of people that like Windows 7 and MacOS X too, I hear. > > What the ultimate goal (in my view) for systemd, pulseaudio etc. seems > > to be is to mimic (poorly) the mentioned OS's. > > FWIW, PulseAudio predates Windows Vista, Windows 7, even MacOS X. I > ran it on a 200MHz machine back when it was called Enlightenment Sound > Daemon. Pulseaudio was meant to be a drop in replacement for ESD but AFAIK that is where the common grounds end. Pulseaudio was not ESD and ESD is not Pulseaudio. Plus ESD has/had a less than good reputation to say it politely. -- #163933