From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186571389E3 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 06:31:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B7BE4E0886; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 06:30:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpq2.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq2.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.165]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740E7E086B for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 06:30:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.34.135] (helo=smtp4.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq2.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xk5jW-0004Zd-0J for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 07:30:50 +0100 Received: from 53579160.cm-6-8c.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([83.87.145.96] helo=data.antarean.org) by smtp4.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xk5jV-0000yi-Ka for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 07:30:49 +0100 Received: from andromeda.localnet (unknown [10.20.13.200]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E80484B for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 07:30:02 +0100 (CET) From: "J. Roeleveld" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] alternative kernels Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 07:30:36 +0100 Message-ID: <1721456.cxhDToZz1Z@andromeda> Organization: Antarean User-Agent: KMail/4.12.5 (Linux/3.16.5-gentoo; KDE/4.12.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <2265905.6YBfFOx5f1@andromeda> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Ziggo-spambar: ---- X-Ziggo-spamscore: -4.9 X-Ziggo-spamreport: ALL_TRUSTED=-1,BAYES_00=-1.9,PROLO_TRUST_RDNS=-3,RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Flag: No X-Archives-Salt: e716dec3-9664-4f47-beab-e2c623fa7a4c X-Archives-Hash: 95cf80ee5d4d12b42b770af34a99d636 On Thursday, October 30, 2014 06:31:25 AM Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 3:56 AM, J. Roeleveld wr= ote: > > On Sunday, October 26, 2014 02:16:24 PM Canek Pel=E1ez Vald=E9s wro= te: > >> And with systemd, rebooting to a new kernel takes just a few secon= ds ;) > >=20 > > And here I was thinking that the pro-systemd crowd doesn't care abo= ut the > > boot-time of systemd? > > (See the " [OT} Linus Torvalds on systemd" thread around 18 - 21 > > september) > >=20 > > Please make up your mind on this. >=20 > This might come as a bit of a shock, but people use Gentoo for > different reasons, run different init systems, different udev > implementations, and so on. Well, believe it or not, systemd users > are exactly the same way and use different components of systemd for > different reasons. People also drive different types of cars, for > different reasons. I agree on this. But in the thread I mentioned, Mark David Dumlao was q= uite=20 aggressive in his wording when the subject was brought up and he claime= d=20 systemd proponents don't care. Canek is the biggest proponent for syste= md on=20 this list. > If you're waiting for everybody who uses systemd to come up with a > single list of arguments to convince you to use systemd, well, then > don't plan on using systemd. I'm not, actually. The only advantage I have heard so far that is of in= terest=20 to me is it's supposedly faster boot-time. The only machine I have that= takes=20 a long time to boot spends 50% of the time to get to Grub. The rest is = then=20 used to bring up the host and a variety of VMs. That machine only gets = a=20 reboot when a new kernel is needed for the host. > It isn't like the current versions of > all the packages you use today are going to magically stop working. As long as this is true, I will be happy. -- Joost