[gentoo-user] Dolphin peculiarities with plasma5

[gentoo-user] Dolphin peculiarities with plasma5

[Mick]

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Following the latest round of KDE updates I noticed two undesirable effects 
and I would be grateful if you could point me to a way of reverting them to 
their old behaviour:

1. Konqueror is no longer integrated with dolphin as a file manager.  When I 
click on Konqueror's Home Folder on its introductory page, a new window is 
launched with Dolphin.

2. Dolphin now requires a double click to open directories.  Where can I set 
this to a single click?  I've looked in dolphin Preferences and 
systemsettings5 but I can't find where to change it to a single click 
operation. 

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Regards,
Mick

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[gentoo-user] Re: Dolphin peculiarities with plasma5

[Michael Palimaka]

On 29/05/16 23:42, Mick wrote:
> Following the latest round of KDE updates I noticed two undesirable effects 
> and I would be grateful if you could point me to a way of reverting them to 
> their old behaviour:
> 
> 1. Konqueror is no longer integrated with dolphin as a file manager.  When I 
> click on Konqueror's Home Folder on its introductory page, a new window is 
> launched with Dolphin.

I believe this is due to latest Konqueror being KDE4-based and latest
Dolphin (and therefore dolphinpart) being KF5-based. As a workaround,
try downgrading Dolphin to 4.14.3-r1.

> 2. Dolphin now requires a double click to open directories.  Where can I set 
> this to a single click?  I've looked in dolphin Preferences and 
> systemsettings5 but I can't find where to change it to a single click 
> operation. 
> 

Try System Settings -> Input Devices -> Mouse -> Single-click to open
files and folders.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Dolphin peculiarities with plasma5

[Mick]

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On Monday 30 May 2016 01:09:26 Michael Palimaka wrote:
> On 29/05/16 23:42, Mick wrote:
> > Following the latest round of KDE updates I noticed two undesirable
> > effects
> > and I would be grateful if you could point me to a way of reverting them
> > to
> > their old behaviour:
> > 
> > 1. Konqueror is no longer integrated with dolphin as a file manager.  When
> > I click on Konqueror's Home Folder on its introductory page, a new window
> > is launched with Dolphin.
> 
> I believe this is due to latest Konqueror being KDE4-based and latest
> Dolphin (and therefore dolphinpart) being KF5-based. As a workaround,
> try downgrading Dolphin to 4.14.3-r1.
> 
> > 2. Dolphin now requires a double click to open directories.  Where can I
> > set this to a single click?  I've looked in dolphin Preferences and
> > systemsettings5 but I can't find where to change it to a single click
> > operation.
> 
> Try System Settings -> Input Devices -> Mouse -> Single-click to open
> files and folders.

Thank you Michael, I already had this setting enabled.  Clicking on the arrow 
at the left of the directory expands the contents of the tree, but to get into 
it, to descend into that level on the filesystem, you have to double click on 
the directory itself.

Similarly, files do not open unless I double-click on them.  :-/

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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Dolphin peculiarities with plasma5

[Mick]

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On Sunday 29 May 2016 16:58:29 Mick wrote:
> On Monday 30 May 2016 01:09:26 Michael Palimaka wrote:
> > On 29/05/16 23:42, Mick wrote:
> > > Following the latest round of KDE updates I noticed two undesirable
> > > effects
> > > and I would be grateful if you could point me to a way of reverting them
> > > to
> > > their old behaviour:
> > > 
> > > 1. Konqueror is no longer integrated with dolphin as a file manager. 
> > > When
> > > I click on Konqueror's Home Folder on its introductory page, a new
> > > window
> > > is launched with Dolphin.
> > 
> > I believe this is due to latest Konqueror being KDE4-based and latest
> > Dolphin (and therefore dolphinpart) being KF5-based. As a workaround,
> > try downgrading Dolphin to 4.14.3-r1.
> > 
> > > 2. Dolphin now requires a double click to open directories.  Where can I
> > > set this to a single click?  I've looked in dolphin Preferences and
> > > systemsettings5 but I can't find where to change it to a single click
> > > operation.
> > 
> > Try System Settings -> Input Devices -> Mouse -> Single-click to open
> > files and folders.
> 
> Thank you Michael, I already had this setting enabled.  Clicking on the
> arrow at the left of the directory expands the contents of the tree, but to
> get into it, to descend into that level on the filesystem, you have to
> double click on the directory itself.
> 
> Similarly, files do not open unless I double-click on them.  :-/

I've noticed that 'emerge --depclean' removed kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves and 
revdep-rebuild didn't bring anything else in (yet).  Could this be why 
konqueror-dolphin integration is borked?

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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Dolphin peculiarities with plasma5

[Alan McKinnon]

On 29/05/2016 20:46, Mick wrote:
> On Sunday 29 May 2016 16:58:29 Mick wrote:
>> On Monday 30 May 2016 01:09:26 Michael Palimaka wrote:
>>> On 29/05/16 23:42, Mick wrote:
>>>> Following the latest round of KDE updates I noticed two undesirable
>>>> effects
>>>> and I would be grateful if you could point me to a way of reverting them
>>>> to
>>>> their old behaviour:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Konqueror is no longer integrated with dolphin as a file manager. 
>>>> When
>>>> I click on Konqueror's Home Folder on its introductory page, a new
>>>> window
>>>> is launched with Dolphin.
>>>
>>> I believe this is due to latest Konqueror being KDE4-based and latest
>>> Dolphin (and therefore dolphinpart) being KF5-based. As a workaround,
>>> try downgrading Dolphin to 4.14.3-r1.
>>>
>>>> 2. Dolphin now requires a double click to open directories.  Where can I
>>>> set this to a single click?  I've looked in dolphin Preferences and
>>>> systemsettings5 but I can't find where to change it to a single click
>>>> operation.
>>>
>>> Try System Settings -> Input Devices -> Mouse -> Single-click to open
>>> files and folders.
>>
>> Thank you Michael, I already had this setting enabled.  Clicking on the
>> arrow at the left of the directory expands the contents of the tree, but to
>> get into it, to descend into that level on the filesystem, you have to
>> double click on the directory itself.
>>
>> Similarly, files do not open unless I double-click on them.  :-/
> 
> I've noticed that 'emerge --depclean' removed kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves and 
> revdep-rebuild didn't bring anything else in (yet).  Could this be why 
> konqueror-dolphin integration is borked?
> 

You might have a point there. I have kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves
installed here and my konqueror works as you want your's to. My deps for
that package:

# equery depends kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves
 * These packages depend on kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves:
kde-apps/mplayerthumbs-15.12.3
(>=kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves-4.14.3:4[aqua=])
media-gfx/digikam-4.14.0-r1 (kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves:4)
media-sound/amarok-2.8.90-r2 (>=kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves-4.4:4[aqua=])

and I have these konquesror/dolphin packages installed:

kde-apps/konqueror
kde-apps/konq-plugins
kde-apps/libkonq
kde-apps/dolphin
kde-apps/dolphin-plugins

-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Dolphin peculiarities with plasma5

[Mick]

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On Sunday 29 May 2016 22:20:56 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 29/05/2016 20:46, Mick wrote:
> > On Sunday 29 May 2016 16:58:29 Mick wrote:
> >> On Monday 30 May 2016 01:09:26 Michael Palimaka wrote:
> >>> On 29/05/16 23:42, Mick wrote:
> >>>> Following the latest round of KDE updates I noticed two undesirable
> >>>> effects
> >>>> and I would be grateful if you could point me to a way of reverting
> >>>> them
> >>>> to
> >>>> their old behaviour:
> >>>> 
> >>>> 1. Konqueror is no longer integrated with dolphin as a file manager.
> >>>> When
> >>>> I click on Konqueror's Home Folder on its introductory page, a new
> >>>> window
> >>>> is launched with Dolphin.
> >>> 
> >>> I believe this is due to latest Konqueror being KDE4-based and latest
> >>> Dolphin (and therefore dolphinpart) being KF5-based. As a workaround,
> >>> try downgrading Dolphin to 4.14.3-r1.
> >>> 
> >>>> 2. Dolphin now requires a double click to open directories.  Where can
> >>>> I
> >>>> set this to a single click?  I've looked in dolphin Preferences and
> >>>> systemsettings5 but I can't find where to change it to a single click
> >>>> operation.
> >>> 
> >>> Try System Settings -> Input Devices -> Mouse -> Single-click to open
> >>> files and folders.
> >> 
> >> Thank you Michael, I already had this setting enabled.  Clicking on the
> >> arrow at the left of the directory expands the contents of the tree, but
> >> to
> >> get into it, to descend into that level on the filesystem, you have to
> >> double click on the directory itself.
> >> 
> >> Similarly, files do not open unless I double-click on them.  :-/
> > 
> > I've noticed that 'emerge --depclean' removed kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves
> > and revdep-rebuild didn't bring anything else in (yet).  Could this be
> > why konqueror-dolphin integration is borked?
> 
> You might have a point there. I have kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves
> installed here and my konqueror works as you want your's to. My deps for
> that package:
> 
> # equery depends kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves
>  * These packages depend on kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves:
> kde-apps/mplayerthumbs-15.12.3
> (>=kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves-4.14.3:4[aqua=])
> media-gfx/digikam-4.14.0-r1 (kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves:4)
> media-sound/amarok-2.8.90-r2 (>=kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves-4.4:4[aqua=])
> 
> and I have these konquesror/dolphin packages installed:
> 
> kde-apps/konqueror
> kde-apps/konq-plugins
> kde-apps/libkonq
> kde-apps/dolphin
> kde-apps/dolphin-plugins

Thank you Alan, I just re-installed konq-plugins and then kdebase-kioslaves to 
see what happens.  Konqueror no longer opens dolphin in a separate window, nor 
does it open dolphin embedded in it as I want it.  Instead it opens FSView - 
showing colourful rectangles of sizes proportionate to the size of each file.  
Looking under Konqueror's menu/View/View Mode, I only have 'File Size View' 
available.  So I must be missing something else on this box.

I'm on stable versions:  

kde-apps/konqueror-15.12.3
kde-apps/dolphin-15.12.3-r1

Interestingly, the introductory page of Konqueror shows no images for the 
icons ... just empty placeholders.  Also, I just noticed something weird ... 
menu/Help/About Konqueror shows "Version 4.14.16" instead of 15.12.3.

Oh well, I am assuming KDE will get better over time. O_o

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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Dolphin peculiarities with plasma5

[Alan McKinnon]

On 30/05/2016 00:39, Mick wrote:
> On Sunday 29 May 2016 22:20:56 Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On 29/05/2016 20:46, Mick wrote:
>>> On Sunday 29 May 2016 16:58:29 Mick wrote:
>>>> On Monday 30 May 2016 01:09:26 Michael Palimaka wrote:
>>>>> On 29/05/16 23:42, Mick wrote:
>>>>>> Following the latest round of KDE updates I noticed two undesirable
>>>>>> effects
>>>>>> and I would be grateful if you could point me to a way of reverting
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> their old behaviour:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Konqueror is no longer integrated with dolphin as a file manager.
>>>>>> When
>>>>>> I click on Konqueror's Home Folder on its introductory page, a new
>>>>>> window
>>>>>> is launched with Dolphin.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe this is due to latest Konqueror being KDE4-based and latest
>>>>> Dolphin (and therefore dolphinpart) being KF5-based. As a workaround,
>>>>> try downgrading Dolphin to 4.14.3-r1.
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Dolphin now requires a double click to open directories.  Where can
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> set this to a single click?  I've looked in dolphin Preferences and
>>>>>> systemsettings5 but I can't find where to change it to a single click
>>>>>> operation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Try System Settings -> Input Devices -> Mouse -> Single-click to open
>>>>> files and folders.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you Michael, I already had this setting enabled.  Clicking on the
>>>> arrow at the left of the directory expands the contents of the tree, but
>>>> to
>>>> get into it, to descend into that level on the filesystem, you have to
>>>> double click on the directory itself.
>>>>
>>>> Similarly, files do not open unless I double-click on them.  :-/
>>>
>>> I've noticed that 'emerge --depclean' removed kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves
>>> and revdep-rebuild didn't bring anything else in (yet).  Could this be
>>> why konqueror-dolphin integration is borked?
>>
>> You might have a point there. I have kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves
>> installed here and my konqueror works as you want your's to. My deps for
>> that package:
>>
>> # equery depends kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves
>>   * These packages depend on kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves:
>> kde-apps/mplayerthumbs-15.12.3
>> (>=kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves-4.14.3:4[aqua=])
>> media-gfx/digikam-4.14.0-r1 (kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves:4)
>> media-sound/amarok-2.8.90-r2 (>=kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves-4.4:4[aqua=])
>>
>> and I have these konquesror/dolphin packages installed:
>>
>> kde-apps/konqueror
>> kde-apps/konq-plugins
>> kde-apps/libkonq
>> kde-apps/dolphin
>> kde-apps/dolphin-plugins
>
> Thank you Alan, I just re-installed konq-plugins and then kdebase-kioslaves to
> see what happens.  Konqueror no longer opens dolphin in a separate window, nor
> does it open dolphin embedded in it as I want it.  Instead it opens FSView -
> showing colourful rectangles of sizes proportionate to the size of each file.
> Looking under Konqueror's menu/View/View Mode, I only have 'File Size View'
> available.  So I must be missing something else on this box.
>
> I'm on stable versions:
>
> kde-apps/konqueror-15.12.3
> kde-apps/dolphin-15.12.3-r1
>
> Interestingly, the introductory page of Konqueror shows no images for the
> icons ... just empty placeholders.  Also, I just noticed something weird ...
> menu/Help/About Konqueror shows "Version 4.14.16" instead of 15.12.3.
>
> Oh well, I am assuming KDE will get better over time. O_o
>


Does "eix kioslaves" show anything you don't have installed? A long time 
ago I recall installing all of those I thought I might ever need, and 
several issues just went away.

One of the reasons binary distro users don't have as many issues as we 
Gentoo'ers is the binary distro installs everything from the KDE 
project, and we get to pick and choose, often wrongly :-)

/alanm

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Dolphin peculiarities with plasma5

[Mick]

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On Monday 30 May 2016 09:35:47 Alan McKinnon wrote:

> Does "eix kioslaves" show anything you don't have installed? A long time
> ago I recall installing all of those I thought I might ever need, and
> several issues just went away.

Yes, it has kde-apps/kdesdk-kioslaves, which I dully emerged, but this did not 
change matters.  :-(

FYI these are the packages that depclean had unmerged two days ago:

1464445881:  *** emerge --ask --verbose --quiet-build=n --depclean
1464445881:  >>> depclean
1464445930: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/kwalletmanager-15.04.3)
1464445954:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/kwalletmanager-15.04.3
1464445954: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/kgamma-4.14.3)
1464445977:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/kgamma-4.14.3
1464445977: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/superkaramba-15.08.3)
1464445984:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/superkaramba-15.08.3
1464445984: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/ffmpegthumbs-15.08.3)
1464445991:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/ffmpegthumbs-15.08.3
1464445991: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/kglobalaccel-15.08.3)
1464445998:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/kglobalaccel-15.08.3
1464445998: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/konq-plugins-15.08.3)
1464446006:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/konq-plugins-15.08.3
1464446006: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/libkipi-15.08.3)
1464446013:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/libkipi-15.08.3
1464446013: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/nsplugins-15.08.3)
1464446020:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/nsplugins-15.08.3
1464446020: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/kgpg-15.08.3)
1464446044:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/kgpg-15.08.3
1464446044: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/kuiserver-15.08.3)
1464446051:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/kuiserver-15.08.3
1464446051: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/konsolepart-4.14.3)
1464446058:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/konsolepart-4.14.3
1464446058: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/libkdcraw-15.08.3)
1464446065:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/libkdcraw-15.08.3
1464446065: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/kde-base-artwork-15.08.3)
1464446072:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/kde-base-artwork-15.08.3
1464446072: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/kuser-15.08.3)
1464446095:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/kuser-15.08.3
1464446095: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves-15.08.3)
1464446120:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves-15.08.3
1464446120: === Unmerging... (x11-libs/libxklavier-5.3)
1464446126:  >>> unmerge success: x11-libs/libxklavier-5.3
1464446126:  *** exiting successfully.
1464446126:  *** terminating.


> One of the reasons binary distro users don't have as many issues as we
> Gentoo'ers is the binary distro installs everything from the KDE
> project, and we get to pick and choose, often wrongly :-)
> 
> /alanm

You're right of course, but I suspect this has been caused by so many KDE 
packages being in a state flux at this moment in time.  I have set plasma 
desktop as my profile, so I was hoping that I would not have veered too far 
off the recommended USE flags:

[8]   default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop/plasma *

Thank you for your help with this, I'll wait for another round of KDE updates 
in the hope that this will be fixed soon.
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Mick

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[gentoo-user] Re: Dolphin peculiarities with plasma5

[»Q«]

On Mon, 30 May 2016 09:35:47 +0200
Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:

> Does "eix kioslaves" show anything you don't have installed? A long
> time ago I recall installing all of those I thought I might ever
> need, and several issues just went away.

Thanks for this.  I don't have the OP's issues, but I'd lost thumbnails
in Dolphin, and installing kde-apps/kdesdk-kioslaves-15.12.3 got them
back for me.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Dolphin peculiarities with plasma5

[J. Roeleveld]

On May 30, 2016 5:11:03 PM GMT+02:00, "»Q«" <boxcars@gmx.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 30 May 2016 09:35:47 +0200
>Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Does "eix kioslaves" show anything you don't have installed? A long
>> time ago I recall installing all of those I thought I might ever
>> need, and several issues just went away.
>
>Thanks for this.  I don't have the OP's issues, but I'd lost thumbnails
>in Dolphin, and installing kde-apps/kdesdk-kioslaves-15.12.3 got them
>back for me.

If you're looking for any other kioslaves, try "eix kio".

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-- 
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[gentoo-user] Re: Dolphin peculiarities with plasma5

[»Q«]

On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:16:24 +0000
"J. Roeleveld" <joost@antarean.org> wrote:

> On May 30, 2016 5:11:03 PM GMT+02:00, "»Q«" <boxcars@gmx.net> wrote:
> >On Mon, 30 May 2016 09:35:47 +0200
> >Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> >  
> >> Does "eix kioslaves" show anything you don't have installed? A long
> >> time ago I recall installing all of those I thought I might ever
> >> need, and several issues just went away.  
> >
> >Thanks for this.  I don't have the OP's issues, but I'd lost
> >thumbnails in Dolphin, and installing
> >kde-apps/kdesdk-kioslaves-15.12.3 got them back for me.  
> 
> If you're looking for any other kioslaves, try "eix kio".

Thanks for that.  After following Alan's post, I already had all the
ones that have slot 5 versions, so I think everything which could be
covered is covered.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Dolphin peculiarities with plasma5

[J. Roeleveld]

On Monday, May 30, 2016 11:32:00 AM »Q« wrote:
> On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:16:24 +0000
> 
> "J. Roeleveld" <joost@antarean.org> wrote:
> > On May 30, 2016 5:11:03 PM GMT+02:00, "»Q«" <boxcars@gmx.net> wrote:
> > >On Mon, 30 May 2016 09:35:47 +0200
> > >
> > >Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Does "eix kioslaves" show anything you don't have installed? A long
> > >> time ago I recall installing all of those I thought I might ever
> > >> need, and several issues just went away.
> > >
> > >Thanks for this.  I don't have the OP's issues, but I'd lost
> > >thumbnails in Dolphin, and installing
> > >kde-apps/kdesdk-kioslaves-15.12.3 got them back for me.
> > 
> > If you're looking for any other kioslaves, try "eix kio".
> 
> Thanks for that.  After following Alan's post, I already had all the
> ones that have slot 5 versions, so I think everything which could be
> covered is covered.

Probably.
The extra ones you get with just "kio" are, I think, not part of the "official" 
kde. But might provide functionality you need.

--
Joost