From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S971i-0005D3-CH for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:43:26 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A3B95E0960; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A9DE093D for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from oxusltgw12.schlund.de (oxusltgw12.lxa.perfora.net [172.19.206.14]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LjIrH-1Sjone2FMF-00cmJZ; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 23:42:01 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 23:42:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Bruce Hill, Jr." To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <170345248.821063.1332042121489.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> In-Reply-To: <20120317162044.0210aa13@khamul.example.com> References: <20120313130534.GB3457@acm.acm> <20120313190052.GA2430@waltdnes.org> <20120313194727.GB2536@acm.acm> <20120313210737.GD2536@acm.acm> <20120313213330.78c5ebf7@digimed.co.uk> <20120313222019.GE2536@acm.acm> <20120313230358.GF2536@acm.acm> <20120314151620.GB24395@acm.acm> <1652184384.843910.1331958018059.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> <20120317162044.0210aa13@khamul.example.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-( Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Medium X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v6.20.0-Rev36 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:jcSTlSa5prmOZ+x9IlwVeov9SwB57Bqia5E5sq8JuLg NYgQwGi9uPw5/kFsfTY4eNEUlJdItEWRJi60wT6uAjKJ7JzTBS 30WEjCr9C5CIfG71Awo4wVoWOzeudkRdVwu4U8mBHxQ8h2NNQL 6YdjoLXuAO7YLbae8o9pvlaYWv1Ly7svKidQ1hFcIKDeMmbMKf l4PkOd1y6awUILEvusISeLGZ7phwKuWhxEqIi7lwvCs2FOF0MB DUE8oKVBH4JAsNLY4icRBaXo7gwWsX+glRehqCDXsZ5S+VK2LP TqW0RqbWOXj1gLzS8X765lb0IYDadgs8MnFLAExwK3PEkIOg16 Fu++Hl6v1/yRHuxWlar4GDsUrT6REMivk1rfGRVBh0U3ob0enS nYqg+e4i0t/o1L/MGmq44plaxyJSfY4W8rxa5K4phKMD9YIIRi Bpnp9 X-Archives-Salt: 02d8b56d-e8e4-4760-aa6e-f3ab67b5800e X-Archives-Hash: f5f0e8d3fc8ffd0a7e36addcb52d66c9 On March 17, 2012 at 10:20 AM Alan McKinnon wrote: > Android != Linux (in context of userspace) > > To get a phone shipped with a running Linux (in the usual definition of > Linux, not Richard Stallman's) you need that Nokia one that will never > again see the light of day. > > Or root your Sony and stick Debian on it. Being a Sony device, that > might be hard. > > > -- > Alan McKinnnon > alan.mckinnon@gmail.com > > I could also say, IMHO, Ubuntu != Linux (in context of userspace) <:-)} My personal definition of "Linux" is "The Linux Kernel", which source can be downloaded from kernel.org. My Samsung Galaxy S has "Kernel version 2.6.35.7", which I assume to be The Linux Kernel. Sure, it's not beyond Google to steal, or borrow, code and rewrite enough stuff and call it it's own. But we all know the source. (And failure to agree to the new Google {Play,Music,Books} and YouTube license(s) has caused me not to be able to upgrade applications ... 16 iirc and counting.) I'm just wondering what "Linux" phone he, or anyone, is using -- after him saying [the "vast majority" of Linux users right now are phone users.] Maybe the vast majority of Linux users are phone users, but I took it to mean the vast majority of Linux users are those using phones running Linux (which I highly doubt). After using the previously mentioned iPhone (my first smartphone) for >1 year, it just made me feel weird being so not-like-Linux. But it works well, except for decreased cell signal when holding the phone. After using this Android phone for <3 months, I'm counting the days until I can upgrade to an iPhone. The Galaxy has frozen, crashed, hung; it's wireless signal is not nearly as good as the iPhone, nor is it's battery usage. It has features which I like over the iPhone 3 series, but I've never used a 4 series to compare. And customer services says, "Maybe you have a virus. We're not trained on Android, just Windoze and Apple devices." (So why offer them to your customers? There's money in it, silly!) Just curious about phones. After using these 2 smartphones (since June 2010), I miss my dumb flip phone. If money were no object, I'd buy one of the new iPads for ultra portable internet access, and get a simple dumb phone for cellular use. -- Happy Penguin Computers >`) 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com