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* [gentoo-user] Suspend and Hibernation not working on XFace desktop
@ 2019-12-20 13:55 Mick
  2019-12-20 16:14 ` [gentoo-user] " Dr Rainer Woitok
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2019-12-20 13:55 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user; +Cc: Dr Rainer Woitok

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Rainer, 

If you can't run suspend/hibernate it may be polkit policies are not allowing 
you to run these commands via dbus.  However, polkit policies are 
automatically installed/updated as required by the packages you have on your 
system.  For example, this is what I have on my desktop (KDE):

$ pkaction | grep susp
org.freedesktop.login1.inhibit-handle-suspend-key
org.freedesktop.login1.suspend
org.freedesktop.login1.suspend-ignore-inhibit
org.freedesktop.login1.suspend-multiple-sessions

$ pkaction | grep hibernate
org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate
org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate-ignore-inhibit
org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate-multiple-sessions
org.freedesktop.login1.inhibit-handle-hibernate-key


I suppose xface would install similar?

These are the USE flags for polkit on this system:

$ equery u sys-auth/polkit
[ Legend : U - final flag setting for installation]
[        : I - package is installed with flag     ]
[ Colors : set, unset                             ]
 * Found these USE flags for sys-auth/polkit-0.115-r4:
 U I
 - - consolekit    : Use sys-auth/consolekit for session tracking
 + + elogind       : Use sys-auth/elogind for session tracking
 - - examples      : Install examples, usually source code
 - - gtk           : Add support for x11-libs/gtk+ (The GIMP Toolkit)
 + + introspection : Add support for GObject based introspection
 - - jit           : Enable just-in-time compilation for improved performance. 
May prevent use of
                     some PaX memory protection features in Gentoo Hardened.
 + + kde           : Add support for software made by KDE, a free software 
community
 + + nls           : Add Native Language Support (using gettext - GNU locale 
utilities)
 + + pam           : Add support for PAM (Pluggable Authentication Modules) - 
DANGEROUS to
                     arbitrarily flip
 - - systemd       : Use sys-apps/systemd for session tracking
 - - test          : Enable dependencies and/or preparations necessary to run 
tests (usually
                     controlled by FEATURES=test but can be toggled 
independently)

-- 
Regards,

Mick

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* [gentoo-user] Re: Suspend and Hibernation not working on XFace desktop
  2019-12-20 13:55 [gentoo-user] Suspend and Hibernation not working on XFace desktop Mick
@ 2019-12-20 16:14 ` Dr Rainer Woitok
  2019-12-21 12:22   ` Mick
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Dr Rainer Woitok @ 2019-12-20 16:14 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: Mick; +Cc: gentoo-user

Mick,

On Friday, 2019-12-20 13:55:29 +0000, you wrote:

> ...
> If you can't run suspend/hibernate it may be polkit policies are not allowing 
> you to run these commands via dbus.  However, polkit policies are 
> automatically installed/updated as required by the packages you have on your 
> system.  For example, this is what I have on my desktop (KDE):
> 
> $ pkaction | grep susp
> org.freedesktop.login1.inhibit-handle-suspend-key
> org.freedesktop.login1.suspend
> org.freedesktop.login1.suspend-ignore-inhibit
> org.freedesktop.login1.suspend-multiple-sessions
> 
> $ pkaction | grep hibernate
> org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate
> org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate-ignore-inhibit
> org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate-multiple-sessions
> org.freedesktop.login1.inhibit-handle-hibernate-key

Here it is:

$ pkaction|\grep -E 'hiber|susp'
org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.hibernate
org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.hibernate-multiple-users
org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.suspend
org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.suspend-multiple-users
$

And using "--verbose" I get:

   $ pkaction --action-id org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.hibernate --verbose
   org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.hibernate:
     description:       Hibernate the system
     message:           System policy prevents hibernating the system
     vendor:            
     vendor_url:        
     icon:              
     implicit any:      no
     implicit inactive: no
     implicit active:   yes

   $ pkaction --action-id org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.suspend --verbose
   org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.suspend:
     description:       Suspend the system
     message:           System policy prevents suspending the system
     vendor:            
     vendor_url:        
     icon:              
     implicit any:      no
     implicit inactive: no
     implicit active:   yes

   $

In "/etc/polkit-1/rules.d/"  are only  three rules files,  the first and
last one being copied by me from the internet somewhere,  the second one
being original:

   # cd /etc/polkit-1/rules.d
   # for f in *; do echo ---- $f; cat $f; done
   ---- 10-admin.rules
   polkit.addAdminRule(function(action, subject) {
       return ["unix-group:wheel"];
   });
   ---- 50-default.rules
   /* -*- mode: js; js-indent-level: 4; indent-tabs-mode: nil -*- */

   // DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE, it will be overwritten on update
   //
   // Default rules for polkit
   //
   // See the polkit(8) man page for more information
   // about configuring polkit.

   polkit.addAdminRule(function(action, subject) {
       return ["unix-user:0"];
   });
   ---- 50-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.rules
   polkit.addRule(function(action, subject) {
       if (action.id.indexOf("org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.") == 0 && subject.isInGroup("plugdev")) {
           return polkit.Result.YES;
       }
   });
   #

> ...
> These are the USE flags for polkit on this system:

These are the polkit USE flags here:

   $ eix -l sys-auth/polkit|grep Installed
        Installed versions:  0.115-r4(15:10:56 22/10/19)(consolekit gtk introspection nls pam -elogind -examples -jit -kde -selinux -systemd -test)
   $

The only differences I see are  that you are using "elogind" rather than
"consolekit", and that I'm using "gtk" while you are using "kde".

If someone could point me  to any missing policy rules,  I would be glad
to add them.

Sincerely,
  Rainer


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* [gentoo-user] Re: Suspend and Hibernation not working on XFace desktop
@ 2019-12-21 12:22   ` Mick
  2019-12-21 12:22     ` Mick
  2020-01-17 11:18     ` [gentoo-user] Re: Suspend and Hibernation not working on XFace desktop [SOLVED] Dr Rainer Woitok
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2019-12-21 12:22 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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On Friday, 20 December 2019 16:14:00 GMT you wrote:
> Mick,
> 
> On Friday, 2019-12-20 13:55:29 +0000, you wrote:
> > ...
> > If you can't run suspend/hibernate it may be polkit policies are not
> > allowing you to run these commands via dbus.  However, polkit policies
> > are
> > automatically installed/updated as required by the packages you have on
> > your system.  For example, this is what I have on my desktop (KDE):
> > 
> > $ pkaction | grep susp
> > org.freedesktop.login1.inhibit-handle-suspend-key
> > org.freedesktop.login1.suspend
> > org.freedesktop.login1.suspend-ignore-inhibit
> > org.freedesktop.login1.suspend-multiple-sessions
> > 
> > $ pkaction | grep hibernate
> > org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate
> > org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate-ignore-inhibit
> > org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate-multiple-sessions
> > org.freedesktop.login1.inhibit-handle-hibernate-key
> 
> Here it is:
> 
> $ pkaction|\grep -E 'hiber|susp'
> org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.hibernate
> org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.hibernate-multiple-users
> org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.suspend
> org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.suspend-multiple-users
> $

Hmm ... clearly we have a difference in polkit authorised actions between our 
two systems.  I use elogind, but don't have a box with consolekit to compare.

[snip ...]
> In "/etc/polkit-1/rules.d/"  are only  three rules files,  the first and
> last one being copied by me from the internet somewhere,  the second one
> being original:
> 
>    # cd /etc/polkit-1/rules.d
>    # for f in *; do echo ---- $f; cat $f; done
>    ---- 10-admin.rules
>    polkit.addAdminRule(function(action, subject) {
>        return ["unix-group:wheel"];
>    });
>    ---- 50-default.rules
>    /* -*- mode: js; js-indent-level: 4; indent-tabs-mode: nil -*- */
> 
>    // DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE, it will be overwritten on update
>    //
>    // Default rules for polkit
>    //
>    // See the polkit(8) man page for more information
>    // about configuring polkit.
> 
>    polkit.addAdminRule(function(action, subject) {
>        return ["unix-user:0"];
>    });
>    ---- 50-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.rules
>    polkit.addRule(function(action, subject) {
>        if (action.id.indexOf("org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.") == 0 &&
> subject.isInGroup("plugdev")) { return polkit.Result.YES;
>        }
>    });
>    #
> 
> > ...

I only have the 50-default.rules, I suspect you copied 10-admin.rules from:

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Polkit


> > These are the USE flags for polkit on this system:
> These are the polkit USE flags here:
> 
>    $ eix -l sys-auth/polkit|grep Installed
>         Installed versions:  0.115-r4(15:10:56 22/10/19)(consolekit gtk
> introspection nls pam -elogind -examples -jit -kde -selinux -systemd -test)
> $
> 
> The only differences I see are  that you are using "elogind" rather than
> "consolekit", and that I'm using "gtk" while you are using "kde".

Yes, this is as it should be.


> If someone could point me  to any missing policy rules,  I would be glad
> to add them.
> 
> Sincerely,
>   Rainer

The thing is you shouldn't have to add polkit actions or rules manually.  As I 
understand it any userspace applications which require access to system 
services should install any rules as dependencies.

A Gentoo user with consolekit and xfce should kindly check their settings and 
compare with yours to see if something is amiss.  I'm thinking, any xfce 
regression bugs ought to affect more than one user at a time, so you shouldn't 
be alone in this.

PS. I had a look at the interwebs for your problem and a user mentioned upower 
(as I did in a previous message) - do you have upower installed?  The xfce 
desktop should have installed this as a dependency:

sys-power/upower
     Available versions:  
            0.99.9-r1 (0/3)	[doc +introspection ios selinux 
KERNEL="FreeBSD linux"]
       ~    0.99.11   (0/3)	[doc +introspection ios selinux 
KERNEL="FreeBSD linux"]
     Installed versions:  0.99.9-r1(0/3)(10:05:06 14/06/19)(introspection -doc 
-ios -selinux KERNEL="linux -FreeBSD")
     Homepage:            https://upower.freedesktop.org/
     Description:         D-Bus abstraction for enumerating power devices, 
querying history and statistics


PPS. This page mentions some troubleshooting steps which you may have not been 
through yet:

https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/faq

-- 
Regards,

Mick
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* [gentoo-user] Re: Suspend and Hibernation not working on XFace desktop
  2019-12-21 12:22   ` Mick
@ 2019-12-21 12:22     ` Mick
  2020-01-17 11:18     ` [gentoo-user] Re: Suspend and Hibernation not working on XFace desktop [SOLVED] Dr Rainer Woitok
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2019-12-21 12:22 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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On Friday, 20 December 2019 16:14:00 GMT you wrote:
> Mick,
> 
> On Friday, 2019-12-20 13:55:29 +0000, you wrote:
> > ...
> > If you can't run suspend/hibernate it may be polkit policies are not
> > allowing you to run these commands via dbus.  However, polkit policies
> > are
> > automatically installed/updated as required by the packages you have on
> > your system.  For example, this is what I have on my desktop (KDE):
> > 
> > $ pkaction | grep susp
> > org.freedesktop.login1.inhibit-handle-suspend-key
> > org.freedesktop.login1.suspend
> > org.freedesktop.login1.suspend-ignore-inhibit
> > org.freedesktop.login1.suspend-multiple-sessions
> > 
> > $ pkaction | grep hibernate
> > org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate
> > org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate-ignore-inhibit
> > org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate-multiple-sessions
> > org.freedesktop.login1.inhibit-handle-hibernate-key
> 
> Here it is:
> 
> $ pkaction|\grep -E 'hiber|susp'
> org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.hibernate
> org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.hibernate-multiple-users
> org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.suspend
> org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.suspend-multiple-users
> $

Hmm ... clearly we have a difference in polkit authorised actions between our 
two systems.  I use elogind, but don't have a box with consolekit to compare.

[snip ...]
> In "/etc/polkit-1/rules.d/"  are only  three rules files,  the first and
> last one being copied by me from the internet somewhere,  the second one
> being original:
> 
>    # cd /etc/polkit-1/rules.d
>    # for f in *; do echo ---- $f; cat $f; done
>    ---- 10-admin.rules
>    polkit.addAdminRule(function(action, subject) {
>        return ["unix-group:wheel"];
>    });
>    ---- 50-default.rules
>    /* -*- mode: js; js-indent-level: 4; indent-tabs-mode: nil -*- */
> 
>    // DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE, it will be overwritten on update
>    //
>    // Default rules for polkit
>    //
>    // See the polkit(8) man page for more information
>    // about configuring polkit.
> 
>    polkit.addAdminRule(function(action, subject) {
>        return ["unix-user:0"];
>    });
>    ---- 50-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.rules
>    polkit.addRule(function(action, subject) {
>        if (action.id.indexOf("org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.") == 0 &&
> subject.isInGroup("plugdev")) { return polkit.Result.YES;
>        }
>    });
>    #
> 
> > ...

I only have the 50-default.rules, I suspect you copied 10-admin.rules from:

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Polkit


> > These are the USE flags for polkit on this system:
> These are the polkit USE flags here:
> 
>    $ eix -l sys-auth/polkit|grep Installed
>         Installed versions:  0.115-r4(15:10:56 22/10/19)(consolekit gtk
> introspection nls pam -elogind -examples -jit -kde -selinux -systemd -test)
> $
> 
> The only differences I see are  that you are using "elogind" rather than
> "consolekit", and that I'm using "gtk" while you are using "kde".

Yes, this is as it should be.


> If someone could point me  to any missing policy rules,  I would be glad
> to add them.
> 
> Sincerely,
>   Rainer

The thing is you shouldn't have to add polkit actions or rules manually.  As I 
understand it any userspace applications which require access to system 
services should install any rules as dependencies.

A Gentoo user with consolekit and xfce should kindly check their settings and 
compare with yours to see if something is amiss.  I'm thinking, any xfce 
regression bugs ought to affect more than one user at a time, so you shouldn't 
be alone in this.

PS. I had a look at the interwebs for your problem and a user mentioned upower 
(as I did in a previous message) - do you have upower installed?  The xfce 
desktop should have installed this as a dependency:

sys-power/upower
     Available versions:  
            0.99.9-r1 (0/3)	[doc +introspection ios selinux 
KERNEL="FreeBSD linux"]
       ~    0.99.11   (0/3)	[doc +introspection ios selinux 
KERNEL="FreeBSD linux"]
     Installed versions:  0.99.9-r1(0/3)(10:05:06 14/06/19)(introspection -doc 
-ios -selinux KERNEL="linux -FreeBSD")
     Homepage:            https://upower.freedesktop.org/
     Description:         D-Bus abstraction for enumerating power devices, 
querying history and statistics


PPS. This page mentions some troubleshooting steps which you may have not been 
through yet:

https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/faq

-- 
Regards,

Mick

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* [gentoo-user] Re: Suspend and Hibernation not working on XFace desktop [SOLVED]
  2019-12-21 12:22   ` Mick
  2019-12-21 12:22     ` Mick
@ 2020-01-17 11:18     ` Dr Rainer Woitok
  2020-01-17 14:06       ` Mick
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Dr Rainer Woitok @ 2020-01-17 11:18 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Mick and All,

On Saturday, 2019-12-21 12:22:31 +0000, you wrote:

> ...
> A Gentoo user with consolekit and xfce should kindly check their settings and 
> compare with yours to see if something is amiss.  I'm thinking, any xfce 
> regression bugs ought to affect more than one user at a time, so you shouldn't 
> be alone in this.

Well, it's been a while ...

In my attempt to hunt down this bug I stumbled upon more than one omiss-
ion, glitch, misinterpretation, you name it that had crept into my init-
ial Gentoo installation.   And since I had to fix these anyway, progress
on the initial problem was somewhat slow.

Eventually I found that

   $ ck-list-sessions
   $

just returned nothing.   There wasn't any  ConsoleKit session running at
all!  I was using "x11-misc/sddm" as a desktop manager and something had
made it stop starting a ConsoleKit session before starting Xfce.  I nev-
er found out what, but found a workaround.  Before it starts Xfce "sddm"
sources "~/.xsession", if it exists.  Therefore running

   $ echo 'exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch --exit-with-session $@' > ~/.xsession

once and then rebooting solves the problem.   Within the script sourcing
"~/.xsession" the arguments "$@"  will expand to the command  (including
arguments)  configured to  start your session  ("startxfce4" in my case)
and the "exec" prefix will simply prevent this script  from running "$@"
twice.  However, since I also had other reservations about "sddm" I dec-
ided to replace it with "lightdm" which correcly ran out of the box (ex-
cept for configuring the background image and -- most importantly -- the
keyboard layout for entering the password).  And "lightdm" does not need
"~/.xsession".

So finally a big thank you to all the kind people trying to help ... :-)

Sincerely,
  Rainer


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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Suspend and Hibernation not working on XFace desktop [SOLVED]
  2020-01-17 11:18     ` [gentoo-user] Re: Suspend and Hibernation not working on XFace desktop [SOLVED] Dr Rainer Woitok
@ 2020-01-17 14:06       ` Mick
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2020-01-17 14:06 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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On Friday, 17 January 2020 11:18:22 GMT Dr Rainer Woitok wrote:
> Mick and All,
> 
> On Saturday, 2019-12-21 12:22:31 +0000, you wrote:
> > ...
> > A Gentoo user with consolekit and xfce should kindly check their settings
> > and compare with yours to see if something is amiss.  I'm thinking, any
> > xfce regression bugs ought to affect more than one user at a time, so you
> > shouldn't be alone in this.
> 
> Well, it's been a while ...
> 
> In my attempt to hunt down this bug I stumbled upon more than one omiss-
> ion, glitch, misinterpretation, you name it that had crept into my init-
> ial Gentoo installation.   And since I had to fix these anyway, progress
> on the initial problem was somewhat slow.
> 
> Eventually I found that
> 
>    $ ck-list-sessions
>    $
> 
> just returned nothing.   There wasn't any  ConsoleKit session running at
> all!  I was using "x11-misc/sddm" as a desktop manager and something had
> made it stop starting a ConsoleKit session before starting Xfce.  I nev-
> er found out what, but found a workaround.  Before it starts Xfce "sddm"
> sources "~/.xsession", if it exists.  Therefore running
> 
>    $ echo 'exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch --exit-with-session $@' >
> ~/.xsession
> 
> once and then rebooting solves the problem.   Within the script sourcing
> "~/.xsession" the arguments "$@"  will expand to the command  (including
> arguments)  configured to  start your session  ("startxfce4" in my case)
> and the "exec" prefix will simply prevent this script  from running "$@"
> twice.  However, since I also had other reservations about "sddm" I dec-
> ided to replace it with "lightdm" which correcly ran out of the box (ex-
> cept for configuring the background image and -- most importantly -- the
> keyboard layout for entering the password).  And "lightdm" does not need
> "~/.xsession".
> 
> So finally a big thank you to all the kind people trying to help ... :-)
> 
> Sincerely,
>   Rainer

Glad you got this going and thanks for posting back in case others come across 
the same problem.

-- 
Regards,

Mick

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