[gentoo-user] OT: first water cooled system

[gentoo-user] OT: first water cooled system

[James]

Hello,

My first water cooled AMD (FX8350) system build,
my first Gigabyte mobo, so I have questions.

Equipment

Cooler: Thermaltake  Water 2.0 Performer
Chasis: Thermaltake Level 10 GTS V03000
Mobo: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3
CPU: AMD FX8350

Ok, so the chasis came with a rear fan that
is the same size as the (2) fans supplied 
in the water cooler package. Can I just
use the original fan and one of the new fans?

Sequence of Construction:

Mount mobo in chasis first. Install CPU
into mobo. Mount radiator and second fan
to the original rear chassis fan.
Then use the supplier grease on the cooler
to mate the pump to the cpu (bracket
details followed).   Other steps or
order of installation tips?

I did purchase a syringe of fancy
thermal grease (Arctic Silver 5).
Should I wipe the pump clean and use
this grease instead of what the kit
shipped with?


OS Installation.

OK so now I'd have the system completed.
Since cooling is critical, I guess I first
power up go into the bios and setup the specs 
(4.0 GHZ with no over-clocking for now) and monitor 
the temperature to ensure the pump/cooler are
working?

Just being cautious as to not end up with burnt toast;
so any and all words of advise are welcome.


tentatively,
James

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: first water cooled system

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am Dienstag, 4. Dezember 2012, 17:58:49 schrieb James:
> Hello,
> 
> My first water cooled AMD (FX8350) system build,
> my first Gigabyte mobo, so I have questions.
> 
> Equipment
> 
> Cooler: Thermaltake  Water 2.0 Performer
> Chasis: Thermaltake Level 10 GTS V03000
> Mobo: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3
> CPU: AMD FX8350
> 
> Ok, so the chasis came with a rear fan that
> is the same size as the (2) fans supplied
> in the water cooler package. Can I just
> use the original fan and one of the new fans?

yes. The fans in the package usually suck.

> 
> Sequence of Construction:
> 
> Mount mobo in chasis first. Install CPU
> into mobo. Mount radiator and second fan
> to the original rear chassis fan.
> Then use the supplier grease on the cooler
> to mate the pump to the cpu (bracket
> details followed).   Other steps or
> order of installation tips?

are you going to blow the air in or out?

> 
> I did purchase a syringe of fancy
> thermal grease (Arctic Silver 5).
> Should I wipe the pump clean and use
> this grease instead of what the kit
> shipped with?
> 

you know - deep down, it does not matter.

> 
> OS Installation.
> 
> OK so now I'd have the system completed.
> Since cooling is critical, I guess I first
> power up go into the bios and setup the specs
> (4.0 GHZ with no over-clocking for now) and monitor
> the temperature to ensure the pump/cooler are
> working?
> 
> Just being cautious as to not end up with burnt toast;
> so any and all words of advise are welcome.
> 

hint: have the pump always run at full power but use fancontrol to control the 
fans - a lot of these pumps become pretty loud when they slow down. 

Also, set fancontrol to start the fan at something like 40°C with 65°C max - 
and most of the time the fans won't even spin, reducing the noise even more. 
40, 60, 70°C won't hurt your CPU at all. 

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[gentoo-user] Re: OT: first water cooled system

[James]

Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin <at> googlemail.com> writes:


> are you going to blow the air in or out?

Out the rear. So the 2 fans sandwich the
radiator and aim outward?

Also, the cpu/cooler backing supplied by Gigabyte
fits well with the top bracket supplied by
the cooler kit, so I'm using that in lieu
of the cheap plastic back supplied with
the cooler (OK?)


> hint: have the pump always run at full power but use fancontrol 
> to control the 
> fans - a lot of these pumps become pretty loud when they slow down. 

> Also, set fancontrol to start the fan at something like 40°C with 65°C max - 
> and most of the time the fans won't even spin, reducing the noise even more. 
> 40, 60, 70°C won't hurt your CPU at all. 

The mobo has (4) fan terminals :(1) 3 wire (sysfan2)
(3) four wire sysfan1, CPUfan, pwrfan.
This is a dual bios system.

Do both fans that sandwich the radiator run
at the same setting? The kit came with a "Y" so both can connected to
the same 4 pin (Y) connector. The chassis fan has a 3 pin
connector, but the slots do fit in the (Y) harness
correctly. The (Y) is wired for all 4 pins. So 
will there be a separate BIOS setting (control) for the rear
fan, different than the fan to the inside of the
radiator?  If so, what settings do I set each fan to?


It seems I have plenty of fan power/control terminals,
but the mobo install book gives no guidance as to which, where....
The chassis has a large fan (sysfan1 ?) for the drives, as well as the rear
chassis fan(sysfan2 ?).


Once I get Gentoo installed, what's the best software to monitor
this cooler rig and set alarms? Auto shutoff if it overheats?
(I run the system when I'm not around quite a bit)...
I'd really like to know if one fan fails the other one is
still working so guidance is appreciated, or just some 
discussion on how all of this should work.
I'm presuming all of this is in the BIOS? 


James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: first water cooled system

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am Dienstag, 4. Dezember 2012, 19:55:30 schrieb James:
> Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin <at> googlemail.com> writes:
> > are you going to blow the air in or out?
> 
> Out the rear. So the 2 fans sandwich the
> radiator and aim outward?
> 
> Also, the cpu/cooler backing supplied by Gigabyte
> fits well with the top bracket supplied by
> the cooler kit, so I'm using that in lieu
> of the cheap plastic back supplied with
> the cooler (OK?)
> 

don't know - my cooler had a steel backplate and some screw-in mechanism... 
(not a boxed water cooler).

> > hint: have the pump always run at full power but use fancontrol
> > to control the
> > fans - a lot of these pumps become pretty loud when they slow down.
> > 
> > Also, set fancontrol to start the fan at something like 40°C with 65°C max
> > - and most of the time the fans won't even spin, reducing the noise even
> > more. 40, 60, 70°C won't hurt your CPU at all.
> 
> The mobo has (4) fan terminals :(1) 3 wire (sysfan2)
> (3) four wire sysfan1, CPUfan, pwrfan.
> This is a dual bios system.

so connect the pump to the 3 wire, the others to the four pwm connectors.

> 
> Do both fans that sandwich the radiator run
> at the same setting? The kit came with a "Y" so both can connected to
> the same 4 pin (Y) connector. The chassis fan has a 3 pin
> connector, but the slots do fit in the (Y) harness
> correctly. The (Y) is wired for all 4 pins. So
> will there be a separate BIOS setting (control) for the rear
> fan, different than the fan to the inside of the
> radiator?  If so, what settings do I set each fan to?
> 

really, get pwm (for pin) fans and connect them to the four pin connectors.

> 
> It seems I have plenty of fan power/control terminals,
> but the mobo install book gives no guidance as to which, where....
> The chassis has a large fan (sysfan1 ?) for the drives, as well as the rear
> chassis fan(sysfan2 ?).
> 
doesn't matter at all. Because you won't use the bios to drive the dans.

> 
> Once I get Gentoo installed, what's the best software to monitor
> this cooler rig and set alarms? Auto shutoff if it overheats?
> (I run the system when I'm not around quite a bit)...
> I'd really like to know if one fan fails the other one is
> still working so guidance is appreciated, or just some
> discussion on how all of this should work.
> I'm presuming all of this is in the BIOS?

sensors, pwmconfig, fancontrol. No need to get the bios involved (except maybe 
shutdown at 95°C)

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: first water cooled system

[James]

Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin <at> googlemail.com> writes:

> sensors, pwmconfig, fancontrol. No need to get the bios involved 
> (except maybe  shutdown at 95°C)

Sorry,
I keep getting disconnected from this install...

Does this wiki look about right for what to do with
pwmconfig, and fancontrol and xsensors?

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fan_Speed_Control

tia,
James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: first water cooled system

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am Montag, 10. Dezember 2012, 04:34:18 schrieb James:
> Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin <at> googlemail.com> writes:
> > sensors, pwmconfig, fancontrol. No need to get the bios involved
> > (except maybe  shutdown at 95°C)
> 
> Sorry,
> I keep getting disconnected from this install...
> 
> Does this wiki look about right for what to do with
> pwmconfig, and fancontrol and xsensors?
> 
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fan_Speed_Control
> 

which oboils down to:
setup lm_sensors
run pwmconfig
/etc/init.d/fancontrol start
rc-update add fancontrol default.

btw, this is my fancontrol file. Used pwmconfig and tweaked it afterwards:
INTERVAL=2
DEVPATH=hwmon0=devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:18.3 
hwmon1=devices/platform/it87.552
DEVNAME=hwmon0=k10temp hwmon1=it8720
FCTEMPS=hwmon1/device/pwm1=hwmon0/device/temp1_input 
hwmon1/device/pwm2=hwmon1/device/temp3_input
FCFANS=hwmon1/device/pwm1=hwmon1/device/fan1_input 
hwmon1/device/pwm2=hwmon1/device/fan2_input
MINTEMP=hwmon1/device/pwm1=40 hwmon1/device/pwm2=40
MAXTEMP=hwmon1/device/pwm1=75 hwmon1/device/pwm2=50
MINSTART=hwmon1/device/pwm1=60 hwmon1/device/pwm2=60
MINSTOP=hwmon1/device/pwm1=50 hwmon1/device/pwm2=50


sensors
k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1:        +42.4°C  (high = +70.0°C)
                       (crit = +70.0°C, hyst = +68.0°C)

it8720-isa-0228
<snip>

Lüfter CPU:          628 RPM  (min =    0 RPM)
Lüfter System/gest:    0 RPM  (min =    0 RPM)
fan3:                  0 RPM  (min =    0 RPM)
Lüfter HDD:            0 RPM  (min =    0 RPM)
Temp NB:             +35.0°C  (low  = +127.0°C, high = +127.0°C)  sensor = 
thermistor
Temp CPU:            +40.0°C  (low  = +127.0°C, high = +80.0°C)  sensor = 
thermal diode
Temp AUX:            +38.0°C  (low  = +127.0°C, high = +127.0°C)  sensor = 
thermistor
cpu0_vid:           +0.513 V
intrusion0:         OK

looks good.

run burnK7 several times:

sensors
k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1:        +54.5°C  (high = +70.0°C)
                       (crit = +70.0°C, hyst = +68.0°C)

it8720-isa-0228
Adapter: ISA adapter
<snips>

Lüfter CPU:         1175 RPM  (min =    0 RPM)
Lüfter System/gest:  626 RPM  (min =    0 RPM)
fan3:                  0 RPM  (min =    0 RPM)
Lüfter HDD:            0 RPM  (min =    0 RPM)
Temp NB:             +34.0°C  (low  = +127.0°C, high = +127.0°C)  sensor = 
thermistor
Temp CPU:            +54.0°C  (low  = +127.0°C, high = +80.0°C)  sensor = 
thermal diode
Temp AUX:            +44.0°C  (low  = +127.0°C, high = +127.0°C)  sensor = 
thermistor
cpu0_vid:           +0.513 V
intrusion0:         OK

still looks good ;)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: first water cooled system

[Andrey Moshbear]

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
<volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
> run burnK7 several times:

Since Bulldozer v1 and up lack 3dnow, burnK7 isn't as useful as
sseburn or anymore.

However, sseburn does require the use of app-emulation/wine for UI
purposes, so the code will need some hacking to run headlessly (i.e.
on command line).

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: first water cooled system

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

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Then use burnp6. Or burnmmx. Same packacke. No winecrap.
Am 11.12.2012 05:51 schrieb "Andrey Moshbear" <andrey.vul@gmail.com>:

> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
> <volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > run burnK7 several times:
>
> Since Bulldozer v1 and up lack 3dnow, burnK7 isn't as useful as
> sseburn or anymore.
>
> However, sseburn does require the use of app-emulation/wine for UI
> purposes, so the code will need some hacking to run headlessly (i.e.
> on command line).
>
>

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[gentoo-user] Re: OT: first water cooled system

[James]

Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin <at> googlemail.com> writes:


> Then use burnp6. Or burnmmx. Same packacke. No winecrap.


OK thanks for the input. 
Thank for all the help.

James