Am Sonntag, 10. Dezember 2017, 11:13:30 CET schrieb Alan Mackenzie:
> Hello, Wols
> 
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 09:55:45 +0000, Wols Lists wrote:
[...]
> > Lennart doesn't want a system where a small failure in one place
> > cascades and brings down a load of stuff elsewhere.
> 
> Neither do I, and neither does anybody.  GNU/Linux is not like that, and
> never has been.

Except where it has, of course.  (Seriously, you can't completely avoid 
breakage when different, independent groups are responsible for different 
components of a complex, intertwined system.)

> It has traditionally been a massive pain to set up,
> though, something which has improved dramatically over the last ten or
> twenty years.

I agree with this, though.

> > Granted he's not necessarily the most politic of people, and has ruffled
> > a lot of feathers, but I'd much rather a system he's cleaned up, than a
> > system where everything hangs together on a knife-edge.
> 
> His motivation seems to be ego.  To force everybody to use his software.
> He did this by, amongst other things, abusing the trust placed in him to
> maintain udev.  Early on he abandoned support for udev for everybody but
> users of his new init system, systemd, in an attempt (sadly successful)
> to force "everybody" into using systemd.

Of course, the previous maintainer of udev fully supported whatever changes 
were made, so you're painting a false picture of a potential different 
history.

> I've no idea how good systemd is.  It's not been through the normal
> process of choice and selection that other successful packages have.  It
> was forced on people.  But being forced to have a binary system log,
> being forced (so I have heard) to have an http server running, ....,
> doesn't make it an attractive package for me.

*All* of this is "so I have heard".  What happened to researching stuff as the 
better alternative to speaking out of your ass?

Speaking for myself, I *switched to* systemd fully on my own, and definitely 
do *not* regret it.  I can't speak for all distros, but all of the ones I know 
of switched willingly, because for them (as for me), systemd was the better 
choice.  You're not against choice, are you ;-) ?

> > Cheers,
> > Wol

Greetings
-- 
Marc Joliet
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