From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RBD7p-0003o2-4W for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 22:06:09 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AD7D621C2E9; Tue, 4 Oct 2011 22:05:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 21A8121C2D8 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2011 22:04:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 04 Oct 2011 22:04:45 -0000 Received: from p5B084FCE.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO pc.localnet) [91.8.79.206] by mail.gmx.net (mp007) with SMTP; 05 Oct 2011 00:04:45 +0200 X-Authenticated: #13997268 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19i7ed/wJBiGQM9bCnpxtRTsH5Hb4s6M1MSDYF0IB xqPtfAYzMJCUlV From: Michael Schreckenbauer To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is grub2 stable and who uses it? Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 00:04:46 +0200 Message-ID: <1543545.FTCAPslyR5@pc> User-Agent: KMail/4.7.1 (Linux/2.6.38-gentoo; KDE/4.7.1; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <4E8AD6C4.7070901@gmail.com> <15152608.IZfVaM36bk@pc> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 315c353bf274148e194cee8f5bc48e6a On Tuesday, 4. October 2011 14:46:07 Canek Pel=E1ez Vald=E9s wrote: > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer =20 wrote: > > On Tuesday, 4. October 2011 14:14:24 Canek Pel=E1ez Vald=E9s wrote:= > >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Grant Edwards > >> >=20 > > wrote: > >> > On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote: > >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Grant Edwards > >> >> >=20 > > wrote: > >> >>> On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote:= > >> >>>>>> That it's not true. It connects to whatever init system > >> >>>>>> do you > >> >>>>>> have > >> >>>>>> (OpenRC, SysV, systemd, Upstart), > >> >>>>>=20 > >> >>>>> I'm curious: what if you don't have one? ??I use > >> >>>>> grub-legacy to > >> >>>>> boot > >> >>>>> stuff other than Unix. > >> >>>>=20 > >> >>>> When I said "it connects", I mean "calls". The same way it > >> >>>> calls > >> >>>> whatever thingy Window uses. > >> >>>=20 > >> >>> Right. ??And what about non-windows, non-Unix systems that > >> >>> don't > >> >>> have > >> >>> any thingy to call? > >> >>=20 > >> >> Then you don't have an operating system. > >> >=20 > >> > Yes, I do. > >>=20 > >> Then any boot loader will need to call something to start it. > >> Understand this: any Linux/Unix init system (systemd, SysV, Upstar= t, > >> OpenRC) is simply a program... that the Linux kernel itself execut= es. > >> That's the init=3D command line in the kernel. > >=20 > > Correct, the *kernel* executes it. > >=20 > > Quoted from an earlier mail in this thread: > >=20 > > "That it's not true. It connects to whatever init system do you hav= e > > (OpenRC, SysV, systemd, Upstart)" > >=20 > > The kernel executes the initsystem, the initsystem takes care of th= e > > rest. Care to explain, why grub2 needs to connect to (or call) the > > initsystem? > It connects via the kernel via init=3D, as always. Maybe not the best= > choice of words, but the important thing is that the statement about > GRUB2 having its "own init system and it's own set of init scripts" i= s > false. I noted the "connection" between the bootloader and the init > system (via the init=3D command line) to emphasize that GRUB2 has not= > its own init system. Nor init scripts. Ah, so no connection or call at all :) Thanks for clarifying > Regards. Best, Michael