From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9C6E139083 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:55:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F6B4E1031; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E29B0E100C for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:55:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.2.51] (85.253.86.194.cable.starman.ee [85.253.86.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: leio) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D200B33BEBE for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:55:46 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1512906942.3369.15.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory? From: Mart Raudsepp To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:55:42 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: <6582741.F9gJHCEsXr@dell_xps> <2343494.DDJaQvByiF@dell_xps> <2092160.laqpQd9B04@peak> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.20.3 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 0f37419e-065f-424f-9c4c-487c5d666223 X-Archives-Hash: 1705048ee53d37ed51b59218a4c0173a On P, 2017-12-10 at 08:56 +0000, Jorge Almeida wrote: > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:12 AM, R0b0t1 wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Peter Humphrey > uk> wrote: > > > On Saturday, 9 December 2017 12:00:12 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Mick > > > m> wrote: > > > > > Thank you all for detailed and clear replies.  You'd forgive > > > > > me for > > > > > being (a little) paranoid about Poettering's fingers getting > > > > > anywhere > > > > > near my systems.> > > > > > :-p > > > > > > > > Are you sure you need udisks? And policykit? > > > > > > I'm pretty sure Mick runs KDE, which requires both of those. > > > > > > > Eventually emerging @world will just pull in the entirety of the > > Gentoo package repository, and we won't have to worry about what is > > or > > isn't necessary. > > > Not that I would object much to have gnome-common if I needed it (I > don't), but it is a bit > shocking that installing kde stuff pulls gnome stuff. After all, > they're supposed to be alternative worldviews, er, desktop > environments. Maybe the relevant people should stop and think whether > unbridled complexity is a good idea? So you are suggesting that each desktop environment must NIH everything? Want an auto-mounter and disk monitor and more for a modern desktop experience - reimplement udisks. Want a secure permissions handling framework for the desktop - reimplement polkit. Want a user account service handler for desktop logins - reimplement accountsservice. Want color profiles handling for monitors and co, and other associated stuff - reimplement colord. And so on. That's all "GNOME stuff" by your definition, with GNOME Foundation members being the project leaders or starters. Meanwhile gnome-common is just a package for m4 macros for the older autotools using world, and is deprecated in favor of autoconf-archive, which had the good things of gnome-common integrated into it. Please remove that package too, if you want to NIH. People, this is open source. Stop advocating NIH and make use of the benefits of open source and let the people actually doing stuff collaborate on things and re-use/share projects as they see fit, for less time waste and more making GNU/Linux (desktops) great over the proprietary others.