From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625B51387E8 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 20:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 16BBBE08DA; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 20:18:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.165]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D08FFE0839 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 20:18:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.42.137] (helo=smtp6.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XCaKG-00022i-2C for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 22:18:16 +0200 Received: from 53579160.cm-6-8c.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([83.87.145.96] helo=data.antarean.org) by smtp6.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XCaKF-0001Io-MJ for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 22:18:16 +0200 Received: from eve.localnet (eve.adm.antarean.org [10.55.16.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFC9C4C for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 22:17:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Joost Roeleveld To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 22:18:14 +0200 Message-ID: <1483700.Ch8zI2G8s9@eve> Organization: Antarean User-Agent: KMail/4.11.5 (Linux/3.10.7-gentoo-r1; KDE/4.11.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <53D938E8.9080009@gmail.com> References: <53D93323.1060300@googlemail.com> <53D938E8.9080009@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Ziggo-spambar: / X-Ziggo-spamscore: -0.9 X-Ziggo-spamreport: BAYES_00=-1.9,RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Flag: No X-Archives-Salt: b1ba64ff-88c9-44d3-8835-eac778326049 X-Archives-Hash: 98ea086d592310490283bbe81717ac66 On Wednesday 30 July 2014 20:26:48 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 30/07/2014 20:02, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > This 'de-bloat' crap - who came up with that? People who use it all the > > times seldomly realize that the 'small and unbloated' software they use > > is in a lot of cases neither small, nor not bloated. > > Usually it comes from the same headspace that ricing comes from. Humans > are all about perception, very very very few of them can actually look > at things in an unbiased way. So it goes like this: > > User hates Gnome. [opinion] > User decides that because Gnome integrates so many things vertically > then Gnome must necessarily be bloated. [invalid conclusion not backed > up by facts] > User decides to try Razor|LXDE|Enlightenment|*box|whatever [valid activity] > User likes [opinion] > User concludes that is therefore "better" than Gnome > [erronously equate specific opinion with fact for the general case] > Therefore is not bloated and Gnome is, to satisfy wrong > conclusion at #2 [I can't even begin to think what fallacy this is] > > > Not much opinion in any of that. > We humans are mostly hard-wired to react based on past experience and > data blindly accepted as fact in the past. 9 times out of 10 this helps > you leap out of the way of the tiger seeking to have you for lunch. You > got this ability from dad's genes and it must be raising the odds for > you and he otherwise he wouldn't have survived long enough to sire you. > If you stop to think about the tiger, he is for sure going to have a > nice lunch. So we humans that survived did so by jumping to conclusions > and having them work out OK on average. This new-fangled idea of > actually thinking about things all the way through is a very new idea, > and most of the species hasn't gotten the hang of it yet. This does still seem to be a valid survival requirement for a large part of the worlds population though, including where you are. For people living in a "so-called" civilized world, tigers are only found inside places commonly called a "zoo" :) > So now you know why ricers swear blind that -pipe in CFLAGS "*doubles* > the running speed, dude!" It does! I enabled -pipe in my CFLAGS and all the software was running a lot faster on my new machine compared to my old one ;) -- Joost