[gentoo-user] wayland

[gentoo-user] wayland

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Anyone playing with wayland already?

Maybe even using it as "daily driver" ?

I did some steps to compile and use it on my systems ... so far I wasn't
able to start up gnome 3.12 (~ gnome-shell) with gdm here.

Is it possible already?

Stefan

[gentoo-user] Re: wayland

[James]

Stefan G. Weichinger <lists <at> xunil.at> writes:


> Anyone playing with wayland already?

Not yet.....
Closely related, is the QT5 approach to start experimenting.

> Maybe even using it as "daily driver" ?
> I did some steps to compile and use it on my systems ... so far I wasn't
> able to start up gnome 3.12 (~ gnome-shell) with gdm here.
> Is it possible already?

This might help [1] 

> Stefan


[1] http://qt-project.org/wiki/QtWayland

hth,
James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: wayland

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 21.07.2014 15:54, schrieb James:
> Stefan G. Weichinger <lists <at> xunil.at> writes:
> 
> 
>> Anyone playing with wayland already?
> 
> Not yet.....
> Closely related, is the QT5 approach to start experimenting.
> 
>> Maybe even using it as "daily driver" ?
>> I did some steps to compile and use it on my systems ... so far I wasn't
>> able to start up gnome 3.12 (~ gnome-shell) with gdm here.
>> Is it possible already?
> 
> This might help [1] 
> 
>> Stefan
> 
> 
> [1] http://qt-project.org/wiki/QtWayland

hmm, thanks ... I am not sure how to apply this ;-)

You suggest that by running QtWayland I might be able to run gnome with
wayland?

S

[gentoo-user] Re: wayland

[James]

Stefan G. Weichinger <lists <at> xunil.at> writes:


> >> Anyone playing with wayland already?
>
> > Not yet.....
> > Closely related, is the QT5 approach to start experimenting.

> > This might help [1] 

> > [1] http://qt-project.org/wiki/QtWayland

> hmm, thanks ... I am not sure how to apply this 

Most Desktops will be a while before interacting with Wayland,
let alone supporting it natively, imho. Bloatware like gnome
and KDE will be the last to get QT5, Wayland and a myriad
of new, super_fast, secure desktop toys, imho.

> You suggest that by running QtWayland I might be able to run gnome with
> wayland?

I don't 'gnome' or 'kde' anything anymore. Those bloated, security risks
will be the last ones to support Wayland, imho.

LXQT(5) is way ahead on Wayland, as they already have testing version
of lxqt running on qt5 (grep this list archives for discussions).

"LXQt Got Full Support For Qt5. Wayland Support Will Be Soon Added"


http://linuxg.net/lxqt-got-full-support-for-qt5-wayland-support-will-be-soon-added/


Best to the site for help, as I'm not on the razor's edge
with LXQT. I'm working on other stuff for a few more weeks......
Skinny (LXQT5) is the new "PHAT". Join the revolution. LXQT is up to
13 devs now. Project is 'on fire', so pull up a seat, and get
roasted! 

hth,
James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: wayland

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am 21.07.2014 23:40, schrieb James:
> Stefan G. Weichinger <lists <at> xunil.at> writes:
>
>
>>>> Anyone playing with wayland already?
>>> Not yet.....
>>> Closely related, is the QT5 approach to start experimenting.
>>> This might help [1] 
>>> [1] http://qt-project.org/wiki/QtWayland
>> hmm, thanks ... I am not sure how to apply this 
> Most Desktops will be a while before interacting with Wayland,
> let alone supporting it natively, imho. Bloatware like gnome
> and KDE will be the last to get QT5, Wayland and a myriad
> of new, super_fast, secure desktop toys, imho.
>
>> You suggest that by running QtWayland I might be able to run gnome with
>> wayland?
> I don't 'gnome' or 'kde' anything anymore. Those bloated, security risks
> will be the last ones to support Wayland, imho.
>
> LXQT(5) is way ahead on Wayland, as they already have testing version
> of lxqt running on qt5 (grep this list archives for discussions).
>
> "LXQt Got Full Support For Qt5. Wayland Support Will Be Soon Added"
>
>
> http://linuxg.net/lxqt-got-full-support-for-qt5-wayland-support-will-be-soon-added/
>
>
> Best to the site for help, as I'm not on the razor's edge
> with LXQT. I'm working on other stuff for a few more weeks......
> Skinny (LXQT5) is the new "PHAT". Join the revolution. LXQT is up to
> 13 devs now. Project is 'on fire', so pull up a seat, and get
> roasted! 
>
> hth,
> James
>
>

who told you that 'bloated' buzz word? The same people who told you
about 'the cloud' or 'web 2.0'?

[gentoo-user] Re: wayland

[James]

Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin <at> googlemail.com> writes:


> who told you that 'bloated' buzz word? The same people who told you
> about 'the cloud' or 'web 2.0'?


Nobody, common sense from practicle experience. Here's what you
*should* do to experince just how bloated  most desktops have become.

Build up a minimize workstation and compile some big codes under
gnome_bloat or KDE_lead_sinker and then compile the same code
on a light weight workstation of equal resources.  BLOAT is
ok if you got all day. Becoming aquaited with tons of ram
that is not being suck_dry by the desktop, is a mind altering
experince......  try it, you might like it.......

Anyway, I'm moving to a 3 monitor setup (3 27" samsungs) as soon
as I fine a triple monitor mount for 27". Then I'll have 2
worksations under them, so I might put up a bloatware desktop,
just to remind me how sluggish they are........
hahahahahahaha...........


peace,
James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: wayland

[Jens Reinemuth]

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On Tuesday 22 July 2014 00:32:59 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > Most Desktops will be a while before interacting with Wayland,
> > let alone supporting it natively, imho. Bloatware like gnome
> > and KDE will be the last to get QT5, Wayland and a myriad
> > of new, super_fast, secure desktop toys, imho.
> 
> who told you that 'bloated' buzz word? The same people who told you
> about 'the cloud' or 'web 2.0'?

i think the same people that told him, that desktop environments are security risks...

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Re: [gentoo-user] wayland

[Pavel Volkov]

On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:40:36 AM MSK, James wrote:
> Bloatware like gnome and KDE will be the last to get QT5, Wayland and a
> myriad of new, super_fast, secure desktop toys, imho.

Well, KDE is already on Qt 5.
Strictly speaking, there's no "KDE" or "KDE SC" anymore.
There are 3 separate projects:
- KDE Frameworks 5 (released already)
- KDE Plasma 5 (released too)
- KDE Applications 5 (this or is not yet released)

Qt 4 apps will still be able to work with Frameworks 5 and Plasma 5.

As for Wayland, we should not worry about KDE or GNOME not supporting it 
but rather about nvidia or amd video driver. Nouveau is still slow and I 
doubt it'll show decent perfomance in near future.

Re: [gentoo-user] wayland

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 25.07.2014 06:32, schrieb Pavel Volkov:
> On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:40:36 AM MSK, James wrote:
>> Bloatware like gnome and KDE will be the last to get QT5, Wayland and a
>> myriad of new, super_fast, secure desktop toys, imho.
> 
> Well, KDE is already on Qt 5.
> Strictly speaking, there's no "KDE" or "KDE SC" anymore.
> There are 3 separate projects:
> - KDE Frameworks 5 (released already)
> - KDE Plasma 5 (released too)
> - KDE Applications 5 (this or is not yet released)
> 
> Qt 4 apps will still be able to work with Frameworks 5 and Plasma 5.
> 
> As for Wayland, we should not worry about KDE or GNOME not supporting it
> but rather about nvidia or amd video driver. Nouveau is still slow and I
> doubt it'll show decent perfomance in near future.
> 

thanks all.

I still don't understand if Gnome 3.12 should work now with current
wayland/weston or not.

At least I get this when testing:

Jul 27 14:38:28 goto gnome-session[22840]: gnome-session[22840]:
WARNING: Unable to find required component 'gnome-shell-wayland'

Recompiling gnome-session doesn't help and that file(?) isn't anywhere.

I only get a blinking cursor when I log into gdm with "gnome on wayland"

S