From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-user+bounces-136486-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1S96Cg-00069x-J2 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:50:45 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 88F70E07DB; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:50:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1006AE0858 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from oxusltgw12.schlund.de (oxusltgw12.lxa.perfora.net [172.19.206.14]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M39f5-1SPwGn3hHL-00sRh3; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:48:55 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:48:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Bruce Hill, Jr." <daddy@happypenguincomputers.com> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <1446063568.820478.1332038934973.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> In-Reply-To: <jk3bd5$rp6$1@dough.gmane.org> References: <709768995.843751.1331957483491.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> <jk1apk$b2o$1@dough.gmane.org> <20120317115300.GB3615@acm.acm> <jk3bd5$rp6$1@dough.gmane.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ] Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Medium X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v6.20.0-Rev36 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:yR9GmdzkC+Yxn1vtRCOixwmuoM9m1Gki3FTCyoS9ck6 17m88cG7I3O7JkUaQQh1j4vz5WuvrBm3wbEAfrJYrIqB26MTGj qyVC1sEnVLcuntOEpHApSzlmxrgZVa7QsZG2u95vC+i+fgYl/t fJOqE1mupDZ7Z2lTSyZSDnxU3CAxMBlwOz+x6MF2TVNPP1MQAQ yqb2Ls5LlPDXtaBgHk/YPlBrhZN1o8juwxRnBuPBdMGp68xD+f armHvaTTWRmVqWzkfzp4c1sI+MQ7eUs5A9vS+G9wNEfMfZvLcU qbfaelLNbcMYao+VZG0wWfI2qfbJ3Hd4Qy5p8c2ox7lRfciUYa Uw7XzMjPPYL7QlZ7yJ5qlvWvG1y52Sx5mEC2OQNTNuxdxLpNBY kzcg/N4G7p39Md/kDaasBE6zM6YzHpi15dZrxm+J+wDuuCvwPY QQMgW X-Archives-Salt: cfa7fcd0-e55e-457d-9f31-254543096944 X-Archives-Hash: b7d40cd54c8037fc8da9ccab54588b6b On March 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@gmail.com> wrote: > On 17/03/12 13:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > Hello, Nikos. > > > > On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 08:25:48AM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > > >>> Happy Computer Users, systemd is on your horizon. > > > >> No, we don't. I hope systemd arrives soon. It's the best init system I > >> ever saw. > > > > What's so good about it? What will it do for me? > > > > I have this horrible sneaking suspicion that it will be more complicated > > than /sbin/init + OpenRC, just like udev + initramfs is more complicated > > than udev, and CUPS is more complicated than classical lpr. > > > > Why do you find it so good? > > No idea. I only posted this because the OP didn't say what's bad about > systemd :-) I really don't know I should care whether my system runs > OpenRC or systemd. > > I'm the OP, and often I don't know how to express myself. It is my understanding that systemd is going to force an initramfs on you even if you only have / and no other partitions. (Could it be initrd and not initramfs?) I'm all for automounting a device when it's plugged in, if that's what the user chooses. But for me, with my workstation, laptop, wife's PC and daughter's laptop -- we just don't need or care for it. Seems a shame to be using udev and then have to completely change your system when 181 comes out, or freeze it at . Therefore, we don't install anything to automount devices. We have lines such as these in fstab: UUID=6C5F-3742 /Libby-Vivitar vfat noauto,users,rw,gid=100,dmask=0002,fmask=0113 0 0 for those devices we own. When we get a new device, we add a new line. We don't use a DE either, just Fluxbox. The bottom line is that I don't like things being forced on me (hint, "get the vaseline, they're on the way!") And I don't like upstream forcing such nefarious changes on the distros. And for the Lennart fanboi, his coding is so questionable that "Lennartware" has become derogatory slang. (Of course, you already know that.) -- Happy Penguin Computers >`) 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com