[gentoo-user] [OT] AppleMac in a Virtual Machine?

[gentoo-user] [OT] AppleMac in a Virtual Machine?

[Mick]

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Hi All,

I have no experience with vmware and was wondering if there is an equivalent 
application to allow a MS Windows or Linux machine to run OSX.  I need this 
to be able to check what websites look like in Safari (Konqueror comes close, 
but there are differences).

Is there such a thing?
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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] AppleMac in a Virtual Machine?

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

On Tuesday 3 July 2007 12:35, Mick wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have no experience with vmware and was wondering if there is an
> equivalent application to allow a MS Windows or Linux machine to run
> OSX.  I need this to be able to check what websites look like in
> Safari (Konqueror comes close, but there are differences).
>
> Is there such a thing?

Yes, there is pearpc (http://pearpc.sf.net), but since one of the 
developers died, development seems to have stalled. Anyway, last time I 
checked the current version was able to run OS X 10.3 (don't know about 
later versions).
Since newer OS X versions can run on intel hardware, you might be able to 
run them in vmware, but I also could be completely wrong on this!
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Re[2]: [gentoo-user] [OT] AppleMac in a Virtual Machine?

[Sergey A. Kobzar]

Hi Etaoin,

Tuesday, July 3, 2007, 1:51:44 PM, you wrote:

> On Tuesday 3 July 2007 12:35, Mick wrote:

>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have no experience with vmware and was wondering if there is an
>> equivalent application to allow a MS Windows or Linux machine to run
>> OSX.  I need this to be able to check what websites look like in
>> Safari (Konqueror comes close, but there are differences).
>>
>> Is there such a thing?

> Yes, there is pearpc (http://pearpc.sf.net), but since one of the 
> developers died, development seems to have stalled. Anyway, last time I
> checked the current version was able to run OS X 10.3 (don't know about
> later versions).
> Since newer OS X versions can run on intel hardware, you might be able to
> run them in vmware, but I also could be completely wrong on this!

VMware Server can help you. It worked for me some time ago.
Also looks like you can use Virtual PC 2007.

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] AppleMac in a Virtual Machine?

[Mick]

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On Tuesday 03 July 2007 11:48, Sergey A. Kobzar wrote:
> Hi Etaoin,
>
> Tuesday, July 3, 2007, 1:51:44 PM, you wrote:
> > On Tuesday 3 July 2007 12:35, Mick wrote:
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I have no experience with vmware and was wondering if there is an
> >> equivalent application to allow a MS Windows or Linux machine to run
> >> OSX.  I need this to be able to check what websites look like in
> >> Safari (Konqueror comes close, but there are differences).
> >>
> >> Is there such a thing?
> >
> > Yes, there is pearpc (http://pearpc.sf.net), but since one of the
> > developers died, development seems to have stalled. Anyway, last time I
> > checked the current version was able to run OS X 10.3 (don't know about
> > later versions).
> > Since newer OS X versions can run on intel hardware, you might be able to
> > run them in vmware, but I also could be completely wrong on this!
>
> VMware Server can help you. It worked for me some time ago.
> Also looks like you can use Virtual PC 2007.

That implies the opposite of what I am trying to do, which is to run AppleMac 
OS & apps in a virtual machine on my Gentoo or on a MS Windows PC.  The 
pearpc that Etaoin is suggesting seems to be what I am after.  Thanks!
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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] AppleMac in a Virtual Machine?

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

On Tuesday 3 July 2007 13:04, Mick wrote:

> On Tuesday 03 July 2007 11:48, Sergey A. Kobzar wrote:
> >
> > VMware Server can help you. It worked for me some time ago.
> > Also looks like you can use Virtual PC 2007.
>
> That implies the opposite of what I am trying to do, which is to run
> AppleMac OS & apps in a virtual machine on my Gentoo or on a MS
> Windows PC.  The pearpc that Etaoin is suggesting seems to be what I
> am after.  Thanks!

Why? vmware server runs under linux too, and if Sergey is right you can 
install vmware server under gentoo and then install OSX (x86 version) 
inside it. IIUC, that would be what you're looking for.
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] AppleMac in a Virtual Machine?

[Mick]

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On Tuesday 03 July 2007 12:18, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
> On Tuesday 3 July 2007 13:04, Mick wrote:
> > On Tuesday 03 July 2007 11:48, Sergey A. Kobzar wrote:
> > > VMware Server can help you. It worked for me some time ago.
> > > Also looks like you can use Virtual PC 2007.
> >
> > That implies the opposite of what I am trying to do, which is to run
> > AppleMac OS & apps in a virtual machine on my Gentoo or on a MS
> > Windows PC.  The pearpc that Etaoin is suggesting seems to be what I
> > am after.  Thanks!
>
> Why? vmware server runs under linux too, and if Sergey is right you can
> install vmware server under gentoo and then install OSX (x86 version)
> inside it. IIUC, that would be what you're looking for.

I had a look but couldn't find OSX under the OS that run within vmware . . .
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] AppleMac in a Virtual Machine?

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

On Tuesday 3 July 2007 13:40, Mick wrote:

> > Why? vmware server runs under linux too, and if Sergey is right you
> > can install vmware server under gentoo and then install OSX (x86
> > version) inside it. IIUC, that would be what you're looking for.
>
> I had a look but couldn't find OSX under the OS that run within vmware

Of course, they can't neither officially support it nor mention it, since 
installing OSX inside anything different from apple hardware violates 
the EULA. But a quick google search for "osx vmware" yelds many results.
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] AppleMac in a Virtual Machine?

[Norberto Bensa]

Mick wrote:
>
> I had a look but couldn't find OSX under the OS that run within vmware . .

It's not supported, but it runs. Just pick FreeBSD and you're done.

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Re[2]: [gentoo-user] [OT] AppleMac in a Virtual Machine?

[Sergey A. Kobzar]

Hi Norberto,

Tuesday, July 3, 2007, 3:01:15 PM, you wrote:

> Mick wrote:
>>
>> I had a look but couldn't find OSX under the OS that run within vmware . .

> It's not supported, but it runs. Just pick FreeBSD and you're done.

http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Vmware_how_to

http://www.google.com/search?hl=ru&client=opera&rls=en&hs=E4g&q=Mac+OS+VMware&btnG=%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA&lr=

;)

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] AppleMac in a Virtual Machine?

[Mick]

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On Tuesday 03 July 2007 13:13, Sergey A. Kobzar wrote:
> Hi Norberto,
>
> Tuesday, July 3, 2007, 3:01:15 PM, you wrote:
> > Mick wrote:
> >> I had a look but couldn't find OSX under the OS that run within vmware .
> >> .
> >
> > It's not supported, but it runs. Just pick FreeBSD and you're done.
>
> http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Vmware_how_to
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=ru&client=opera&rls=en&hs=E4g&q=Mac+OS+VMwa
>re&btnG=%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA&lr=
>
> ;)

Cool!  Thank you all for your helpful suggestions and the links.
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Re[2]: [gentoo-user] [OT] AppleMac in a Virtual Machine?

[Sergey A. Kobzar]

Hi Mick,

Tuesday, July 3, 2007, 2:04:43 PM, you wrote:

> That implies the opposite of what I am trying to do, which is to run AppleMac
> OS & apps in a virtual machine on my Gentoo or on a MS Windows PC.

I did it :).

One note - you need find ISO with Mac OS X installation in torrent.
Not all images can be started in VMware. Mac OS has strong
requirements to the hardware.

BTW - we are out of mailing list subj :)


> The
> pearpc that Etaoin is suggesting seems to be what I am after.  Thanks!



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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] AppleMac in a Virtual Machine?

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

Mick wrote:

>> Is there such a thing?

> Yes, there is pearpc (http://pearpc.sf.net), but since one of the 
> developers died, development seems to have stalled. Anyway, last time I 
> checked the current version was able to run OS X 10.3 (don't know about 
> later versions).
> Since newer OS X versions can run on intel hardware, you might be able
> to run them in vmware, but I also could be completely wrong on this!

Also, you might be able to use qemu. Look here:

http://qemu-forum.ipi.fi

Remember that, according to apple eula, installing OSX inside a virtual 
machine might violate the license.
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] AppleMac in a Virtual Machine?

[Aleksandar L. Dimitrov]

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Hi Mick,

On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 11:35:57AM +0100, Mick wrote:
> I have no experience with vmware and was wondering if there is an equivalent 
> application to allow a MS Windows or Linux machine to run OSX.

You have several alternatives, one of which is to google for Mac OS X on
a x86 - it is possible to install Mac OS X to a PC (and run it natively
as on operating system in itself), though illegal. One of my fellow
students did it and got most of his laptop's hardware to actually work.
Pretty much everything you do to run Mac OS X on anything else than a Mac
could violate the EULA...

You can also try to download Safari's Windows Version and emulate it
with WINE. I didn't try it so far but it could work and you also don't
need to "purchase" a Mac OS X license.

Regards,
	Aleks

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] AppleMac in a Virtual Machine?

[Mick]

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On Tuesday 03 July 2007 12:16, Aleksandar L. Dimitrov wrote:
> Hi Mick,
>
> On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 11:35:57AM +0100, Mick wrote:
> > I have no experience with vmware and was wondering if there is an
> > equivalent application to allow a MS Windows or Linux machine to run OSX.
>
> You have several alternatives, one of which is to google for Mac OS X on
> a x86 - it is possible to install Mac OS X to a PC (and run it natively
> as on operating system in itself), though illegal. One of my fellow
> students did it and got most of his laptop's hardware to actually work.
> Pretty much everything you do to run Mac OS X on anything else than a Mac
> could violate the EULA...
>
> You can also try to download Safari's Windows Version and emulate it
> with WINE. I didn't try it so far but it could work and you also don't
> need to "purchase" a Mac OS X license.

Of course! (slaps forehead)  As long as the MS Windows Safari behaves like the 
AppleMac Safari, WINE will probably do the trick (assuming it installs and 
runs).  Will give it a go.  Thanks!
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] AppleMac in a Virtual Machine?

[Aleksandar L. Dimitrov]

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On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 12:42:43PM +0100, Mick wrote:
> Of course! (slaps forehead)  As long as the MS Windows Safari behaves like the 
> AppleMac Safari, WINE will probably do the trick (assuming it installs and 
> runs).  Will give it a go.  Thanks!

I don't really know - back then when M$ still supported their IE for
Mac, IE for Mac would behave differently than IE for Win at least in
some situations.
That said, I _do_ believe Apple programmers still do their job a lot better 
than Microsoft so you should at least get a very good impression of what
your page would look like on a Mac.

Regards,
	Aleks

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RE: [gentoo-user] [OT] AppleMac in a Virtual Machine? Or use BrowserCam

[Daevid Vincent]

http://www.browsercam.com/ 

Or one of the many clones out there...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mick [mailto:michaelkintzios@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 3:36 AM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: [gentoo-user] [OT] AppleMac in a Virtual Machine?
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have no experience with vmware and was wondering if there 
> is an equivalent 
> application to allow a MS Windows or Linux machine to run 
> OSX.  I need this 
> to be able to check what websites look like in Safari 
> (Konqueror comes close, 
> but there are differences).
> 
> Is there such a thing?
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> Regards,
> Mick
> 

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