From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IBOBh-0000gs-MC for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 05:04:30 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6J53Gk0001163; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 05:03:16 GMT Received: from dnsmail1.fleet.navy.mil (pacfb.fleet.navy.mil [205.56.145.36]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6J4vTqN024584 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 04:57:30 GMT Received: from VSCAN2 ([157.153.3.104]) by dnsmail1.fleet.navy.mil (8.12.11.SSC-RH.1/8.12.9) with SMTP id l6J4vNiC021730 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 04:57:27 GMT Received: from cv63ucsex1.cv63.navy.mil ([157.153.3.104]) by VSCAN2 (SMSSMTP 4.1.11.41) with SMTP id M2007071904572421438 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 04:57:25 GMT content-class: urn:content-classes:message Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:54:20 +0900 Message-ID: <14178ED3A898524FB036966D696494FB138F24@messenger.cv63.navy.mil> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? Thread-Index: AcfJsVLg/qGAR7dDTCuNFp26KIiaOwAAYq1g From: To: X-Archives-Salt: 9990fab9-1424-4c8a-8675-bec4e0368029 X-Archives-Hash: 8366b917db1a61380920741f3128a888 > -----Original Message----- > From: Stroller [mailto:stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk]=20 > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:59 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? >=20 >=20 > Routers: The router issue was probably missed by a number of people simply because in the states it is common for the company to either lease out a router, or sell a branded one that is just a standard router with the Yahoo or cable company logo stamped on the side. At the end of the service term it either goes back to the Company or you can keep using it for the next service. I get the impression that it is the same in Japan. YahooBB (Their branding in Japan) has an option to pay two or three hundred yen exta a month to lease a router. >>From what you are saying, it sounds like it is safe to assume that it is NORMALY that way in the EU countries as well. I could be wrong there. ^^;; > The TiVo issue: I previously missunderstood how the TiVo functioned. I have to admit when I am wrong. I was under the impression that the unit worked through a specific network or providers that connected to the network. I have read a little more on the subject, and I have to say that there is a difference between a device designed to connect to a specific network and receive a service, and a device that is advertised as a DVR with a few addons. The DirectTV reciever boxes make a littler more sense that way, but not the standalones. I still believe that a vender has a right to present a service as they intend to use it, as long as they are completely honest with their customers and do so within the terms of any contracts they have with content and software providers. In this case that means the GPL. They were within the word of the GPL at the time. However, they were not totally honest with the way they advertised And hyped their product. :P After reading the Wikipedia article, I see that the VCR+ concept was the same thing without the requirement for network fed TV guide listings. I _THINK_ VCR+ used an encoded time stamp and channel number. :P It never caught on so well though, because it didn't have a lot of hype behind it except for the listing in the=20 TV Guide, and it used VHS tapes instead of a digital format. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list