From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68FF51381F3 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:30:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4EB4C21C00C; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:30:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA4F7E002A for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:29:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f53.google.com with SMTP id j5so467937bkw.40 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:29:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=H2DFSgkleM7Q90oT8oX74XMAgj9Y4rsAUOHqGV9BKRY=; b=W2YF5ilY8buRucMcvpWFNVy00kgzChWKzjUy/jj4spWl65xQ0oMXLJXTGHJNDK16W6 6yX0Bv7PRpVJc6ewUPjCftFePUZexrq/1AOAru/GUOkj9YkyTZSnKvQ0MBJJJ3caq6Ql oh3gA3u84g8Wu/Ha/joxCc9RmEloS75seDy8M3v0HYE+FQRPsHSel5XH/dk5yompyLIK z2l8wwicdwW9JlSLDvHosjAFbem3PgMfi/Mkq6kb9VTc409m3f6oZf3aHGwcoVEr/lJO VhUBPHpZZhp3MhGt2ru8I7HVdQ1yWT/BOrrXQwXtDmYxMGUCvZRqH30eE+0gTrSnZhmt 7IRg== Received: by 10.204.129.213 with SMTP id p21mr7339874bks.115.1352741355405; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:29:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from energy.localnet (p4FC60FD8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. [79.198.15.216]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gy18sm3826256bkc.4.2012.11.12.09.29.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:29:14 -0800 (PST) From: Volker Armin Hemmann To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Cc: Canek =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pel=E1ez_Vald=E9s?= Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:29:12 +0100 Message-ID: <1402956.bjYysXIEXy@energy> User-Agent: KMail/4.9.2 (Linux/3.4.14; KDE/4.9.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <20121112013321.64a4e1e0@khamul.example.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Archives-Salt: 98746fb4-4986-458c-a328-f91cf07058f2 X-Archives-Hash: adc8e0c6affa1e5391d5e8261b125de8 Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 18:24:32 schrieb Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3= =A9s: > On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Alan McKinnon =20 wrote: > > On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 21:32:41 +0800 > >=20 > > =E5=BE=AE=E8=94=A1 wrote: > >> =E5=9C=A8 2012=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8811=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E6= =97=A5 07:22:41=EF=BC=8CBruce Hill =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > >>=20 > >> > On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 01:49:03PM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann > >> >=20 > >> > wrote: > >> > > hate is a natural reaction if something you don't need and don= 't > >> > > want is forced upon you. If it is also based on lies, hate is = a > >> > > valid reaction. A lot of people don't need nor want pulseaudio= or > >> > > systemd. Now it is forced on everybody. > >> > >=20 > >> > > When systemd devs took over udev, one was told that of course,= > >> > > one could use udev without [systemd] in the future. > >> > >=20 > >> > > Now they are talking about making udev systemd only. > >>=20 > >> obsolutly nonsense. what they remove , is the ability to build ude= v > >> seperately. udev can still be used without systemd. > >=20 > > Say Dude, > >=20 > > I have a question (well, two actually) > >=20 > > My name is Alan and I've been subscribed on this list for 7 years. > >=20 > > What's your name, and how long have you been around? > >=20 > > Just trying to establish your place in the pecking order in this he= re > > meritocracy. >=20 > Seniority !=3D meritocracy. And I don't know how much "meritocratic" > this list could be, since it is a users lists. The most "merit" a > member of this list can get is to give technically acurate, > constructive, and polite help for those users asking for it. >=20 in that case Alan certainly is at the very top.=20 He is one of maybe three posters where I read every mail - and one of a= =20 handful I have a hard time to disagree with. Same for Neil Bothwick. Ju= st to=20 name two that rank very highly on my privat list of good gentoo-user ci= tizens.=20 Because both know what they are talking about. Something that is very r= are. --=20 #163933