From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B560D158232 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2024 22:35:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 33325E0CC9; Mon, 9 Dec 2024 22:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 447F2E0948 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2024 22:35:32 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <13ef5bd3-ff95-4ac0-a889-7eee21c14a94@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2024 17:35:28 -0500 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 hangs around To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <57818ef3-31b3-4a03-870d-bd85d1cdf34c@gentoo.org> Content-Language: en-US From: Eli Schwartz Autocrypt: addr=eschwartz@gentoo.org; keydata= xjMEZmeRNBYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAYNZ7pUDWhx1i2f3p6L2ZLu4FcY18UoeGC04Gq/khqwfN I0VsaSBTY2h3YXJ0eiA8ZXNjaHdhcnR6QGdlbnRvby5vcmc+wpYEExYKAD4WIQTvUdMIsc4j CIi+DYTqQj6ToWND8QUCZoRL+gIbAwUJBKKGAAULCQgHAwUVCgkICwUWAgMBAAIeBQIXgAAK CRDqQj6ToWND8aB5AP9r4kB691nNtNwKkdRiOdl7/k6WYzokvHvDamXxRJ0I+gEAjZqR5V8y mfR3fy2Z+r2Joeqdt3CIv5IwPs64spBvigLOOARmZ5E0EgorBgEEAZdVAQUBAQdATT46Z06b 1X9xjXFCYFxmq/Tj3tSEKZInDWTpoHQp4l8DAQgHwn4EGBYKACYWIQTvUdMIsc4jCIi+DYTq Qj6ToWND8QUCZmeRNAIbDAUJBKKGAAAKCRDqQj6ToWND8a2RAP40KPfbfoiZAJW5boFmFJ3G TUBDJRh9CWHyaPqq2PN+0wD/R07oLzfnJUN209mzi9TuTuHjeZybysyqXSw4MAxkMAY= In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------3zNdsPAJ9EjYq7yflTU5hJRg" X-Archives-Salt: 79819ae0-f70a-41e0-bb01-93c1a95366cf X-Archives-Hash: 531dbd57ea32e2dae45a4bff01c7ecb1 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------------3zNdsPAJ9EjYq7yflTU5hJRg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------xcT80KUJ0nXXp2XAxF0tJQZH"; protected-headers="v1" From: Eli Schwartz To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <13ef5bd3-ff95-4ac0-a889-7eee21c14a94@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 hangs around References: <57818ef3-31b3-4a03-870d-bd85d1cdf34c@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: --------------xcT80KUJ0nXXp2XAxF0tJQZH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/9/24 5:02 PM, Philip Webb wrote: > 241209 Eli Schwartz wrote: >> In general, you can use the -t option to emerge, >> which tells you exactly, which dependencies are required for what. >=20 > Thanx for your v prompt response. I do use -t sometimes. >=20 >> In this case it's no great mystery: >> https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kwayland-integration >> This remains Qt 5 only, >> as its features have been moved into KWindowSystem in KF6, >> but this is still necessary for compatibility with Qt 5 apps. >> Seems like a good enough reason to me -- why did you want to install i= t? >=20 > See the listing below : I wanted to update KDE Plasma, now available, > but ran into a long list of KDE-5 slots & was trying to understand why,= > so I tried 'emerge -pv kio', whose output you can see below ; > it wanted to install Kwayland-integration therein, so I tried that. Nope, your output below for "emerge -pv kio" is showing that installing kio:6 fails due to needing an updated kwidgetsaddons-6.7, which cannot be upgraded on its own as it needs to be updated in lockstep with kxmlgui knewstuff ktexteditor kiconthemes frameworkintegration kwallet kcmutils and various other packages. Since you could not install kio:6, emerge tried to install kio:5 instead? Naturally, kio:5 depends on various KDE 5 packages. If you want to understand why updating *plasma* is showing KDE-5 slots, emerging kio on its own won't tell you why. At least, it won't tell you why unless you update to the same version of kio that the original plasma update was also offering. Did you try using -t with your *original* plasma update? >> It appears that it is not, in fact, a "KDE-6 pkg" after all. :) >=20 > root:550 ~> eix kwayland-integration > * kde-plasma/kwayland-integration > Available versions: (5) 6.1.5 6.2.4 {debug} >=20 > That looks like a KDE-6 pkg, doesn't it ? > If the '(5)' means it's KDE-5, whyever are the versions '6.x.x' ?? >=20 > PP> Why indeed is KDE-5 still supported anywhere in Gentoo ? > ES> Because not everything has been ported to KDE 6, >> just because plasma has been? >=20 > Whyever not, given the complication wh arise therefrom ? > Time has passed, action shd have been taken. > Yes, I do always appreciate the unpaid labor of Gentoo devs & cb patien= t, > if that is the actual problem (smile). Your appreciation of unpaid labor doesn't really help, I'm afraid. :( Lots of software still exists which was written during the KDE 5 days and doesn't have active upstream maintainers. Those tend to take a while to update, and not all will end up updating at all -- some packages may end up dropped for their lack of maintenance, eventually... No one is forced to use KDE 5 if they don't want to. It very much depends on the software you want to run. Gentoo has nothing to do with it and Gentoo devs can't make that software be magically ported to KDE 6, whether you appreciate the labor or not, whether you are patient or not. On the other hand, maybe you don't use that software at all. > Why am I required to install all these KDE-5 slots simply to update Kio= ? Due to a slot conflict, portage tried to downgrade kio to KDE-5, and also install all of kio 5's dependencies. --=20 Eli Schwartz --------------xcT80KUJ0nXXp2XAxF0tJQZH-- --------------3zNdsPAJ9EjYq7yflTU5hJRg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="OpenPGP_signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="OpenPGP_signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- wnsEABYIACMWIQTnFNnmK0TPZHnXm3qEp9ErcA0vVwUCZ1dwsAUDAAAAAAAKCRCEp9ErcA0vV3T3 AP0b2lGLD8QmmKqlujsa1s/7fxQGqc/TlHnz2eroNXuv4wEA5mYpqC2J7Mx9S+HoNMQSBrHSy4L3 e2EJUb+MzxiD7QA= =zt5p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------3zNdsPAJ9EjYq7yflTU5hJRg--