From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S95ij-0001kO-Md for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:19:46 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB5C0E0781; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:19:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out3.iinet.net.au (outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out3.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.148]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2994BE064A for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:18:30 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag4HAENFZU/LzjMt/2dsb2JhbABCgw2CMa8SgXGBB4IJAQEFI2YLDQsCAiYCAiE2GRqHb6gDkSKBL4gmf4MGggyBFgSIVIs/h0IihSCEeYJzgUcCFA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,604,1325433600"; d="scan'208";a="768680918" Received: from unknown (HELO moriah.localdomain) ([203.206.51.45]) by outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out3.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 18 Mar 2012 10:18:28 +0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moriah.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB0C20A691 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 10:18:28 +0800 (WST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at lan.localdomain Received: from moriah.localdomain ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (moriah.lan.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0cSdwFk_UmCr for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 10:18:25 +0800 (WST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moriah.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6CF20E9C2 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 10:18:25 +0800 (WST) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way! From: William Kenworthy To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: References: <709768995.843751.1331957483491.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> <20120317221553.1c49b5af@khamul.example.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 10:18:25 +0800 Message-ID: <1332037105.14433.13.camel@moriah> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: a4bb77a9-015b-4637-a8c2-3de32ec8ac91 X-Archives-Hash: 4ec07cda90007e9f6f91e06131e01a25 On Sat, 2012-03-17 at 17:43 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:10:35 -0700 > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > >> 4) I don't use a separate /usr so I don't need any of this. I suspect > >> most casual Gentoo users like me are pretty much the same. > > > > This news item in no way applies to you and you are completely > > unaffected. You can safely update openrc and udev. > > > > Yeah, that was my reading of it, and I appreciate your response. > > In this case, and I don't know why, I have this feeling that this > thing is gonna turn out badly and I'd be better being prepared on the > initramfs side of things. I did have to use one to bring up my server > with / on a RAID6, not because I needed it long term but in the short > term I couldn't determine how mdadm was numbering the RAID so that I > could get grub.conf correct. I'm somehow a bot worried something is > going to slip by the devs and I'd be better off having an initramfs > already running on the box when I do allow the upgrades. > > Planning on giving Dracut a try. > > Thanks, > Mark > Definitely be careful! - I went the genkernel route and except for laptops use LVM and separate partitions. Be very wary of using an existing kernel config - there are a few unexpected things that I had to enable to get an already working, but customised kernel config to boot properly after genkernel used it. I still need to cut the config down some more to speed booting (restrict the autodetect to hardware I actually have). genkernel doesnt support suspend/resume without patching so beware if thats a consideration. I do get the feeling I now have a less reliable, flakier system with more demands on admin time because everytime I upgrade I will have more issues. I might eventually do away with the separate /usr if they ever get it read only and reliable, but thats likely to a way off yet and none of my machines use a big enough (non LVM) / to hold it anyway. BillK