From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RV4wl-0000A5-SQ for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:24:54 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 779D321C12E; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:24:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6AD121C052 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:22:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.41]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81BA12103B for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:22:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend2.nyi.mail.srv.osa ([10.202.2.161]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:22:49 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=letterboxes.org; h=message-id:subject:from:to:date:in-reply-to:references :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; s=mesmtp; bh=OiAEuqQZ9jKvYrsTveyLFiiMT9k=; b=TTywlaS0gE67/9yft/YsOWMO1Nld OAVeFWxz+SPXBCYXaJOBZt7aeOtxz1ttzJ2WMUeS+YpA5H1nwMnMMnLbDu8yuiKf q9Vis88D5/Bb7JySRkOcD8ITMIHI+YPeperpt6IgbWbvM69RwJu7iHjnJgGgMtjW ONq60uPLhsFEtw0= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:subject:from:to:date :in-reply-to:references:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version; s=smtpout; bh=OiAEuqQZ9jKvYrsTveyLFiiMT9k=; b=oPT 2XmTAtprP4OiFwd45WrZYK7DNedFYVJqPVwo/sIZBQMyfoZ5/U2+qt0ZUkIW78It aLtI93JuQE6kWwqVoB0Kc7Zev6+Kxi9ZrsGD6Ex0wj0FvOeT082zqKMYhsOfTsg5 TQpxWG56lMSdrkNLD0tV8vfJyLA3TOuxvKD5aCMM= X-Sasl-enc: WLxyHRbCIiNNKdqHxZ9c4PNA9SfOt0rDrIHjNEoYzKCM 1322500969 Received: from [192.168.0.119] (65.23.112.45.nw.nuvox.net [65.23.112.45]) by www.fastmail.fm (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3F5C34824B6 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:22:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1322500968.6295.23.camel@stretch> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: What happened to OpenRC 0.9.6? From: "Albert W. Hopkins" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:22:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20111128184152.03279681@rohan.example.com> References: <4ED28F6A.7090606@alyf.net> <1322483386.66469.4.camel@stretch> <1322497904.6295.6.camel@stretch> <20111128184152.03279681@rohan.example.com> Face: 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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: 64b04366-37ff-4a4f-9e8e-ab852743ff19 X-Archives-Hash: 71de2e2eb2efa66c0ad9715b1b8fe235 On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 18:41 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > My experience is different to both of yours. I too have been using > Gentoo for many years and had good results with unstable. Hardly ever, > if even at all, have I run into packages that would not compile at > Build failures for me have always been some unusual configs on my end, > usually strange USE flags. But I don't use any of the more exotic > packages like those in sci- and games- so YMMV I guess. I'm not saying that unstable is somehow bad, I'm just saying it's sometimes... unstable. I dont' have any "exotic" packages or configs either, but I do from time to time encounter such problems as 1. Patches not included 2. Patches not applying 3. build failures because a patch in a previous revision is no longer applicable in the new revision 4. build failures caused by upstream issues 5. build failures due bad ebuilds 6. incomplete DEPENDS or RDEPENDS(this actually happens quite more frequently than i'd like) 7. Broken functionality (upstream bugs) 8. A dependency of a package was bumped, and that package doesn't build against the bump. Granted, when I test, I test hard. I depclean with build time dependencies removed, to make sure packages have the correct DEPENDS. I do an "emerge -e world" about once per month. I have a build system that builds virtual appliances from scratch that help me find bugs (granted, most of these VMs are in the stable tree so they actually find bugs in stable and the stage3 tarballs). I set USE flags manually instead of using the defaults. So, while that may be considered an "unusual config" it should work and it helps me find bugs before they get into stable. But my feeling is, if you use the testing branch and you *don't* find bugs, then you aren't testing hard enough :P -a