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Hopkins" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 23:15:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4E9F825A.1030105@nileshgr.com> References: <4E9E98AF.5000401@nileshgr.com> <1319057561.485731.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4E9F7296.2050001@nileshgr.com> <4E9F825A.1030105@nileshgr.com> Face: 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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 58164fe3b6c113cef7dbd70e5263d06a On Thu, 2011-10-20 at 07:37 +0530, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: [...] > BTW, which overlays did you use? I'll just interject once again. When you use many overlays, there is a feeling of a exponential increase in complexity/instability. The thing is when you use official tree, all the Gentoo devs are (supposed to) play in the same sandbox. This means the behaviors of different packages and their dependencies and interactions with each other are somewhat predictable, and when problems occur, they are easier to debug and solve because everyone's playing in the same sandbox. When you are mixing differing packages from differing repos (overlays), then not everyone is on the same page. The developers in overlay A may not be aware of what's going on in overlay B as they are usually only concerned about their own sandboxes (and the official repo). This can makes debugging much more complex and, if it's an interaction between different overlays, usually it's going to be the user who is going to have to figure it out, not the developers. The if you add live ebuilds into the mix, you are adding even more sandboxes, and the upstream repos are even more unpredictable. So one minute you can have a perfectly harmonious system, and the next you are dealing with a bunch of unstable isotopes. This is not to say you can't/shouldn't do these things. After all this is Gentoo, and one of the nice things about Gentoo is that we *do* have this power. But my point is "with great power comes great responsibility". And sometimes that means when it breaks, *you* get to pick up the pieces. -a