[gentoo-user] CPU socket and picking a heat sink.

[gentoo-user] CPU socket and picking a heat sink.

[Dale]

Hi,

Doing some research on building me a new rig.  I have ran into sort of a 
hick up.  The socket types are confusing me here.  This is the mobo that 
I *might* be getting.

http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=prodmbspec&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=171&cat3_no=&prod_no=1856

If that link don't work, it is a MSI 790XT-G45 mobo.

I do most of my shopping on newegg and was looking for a CPU heat sink 
to go on that bad boy.  The MSI website says AM2+.  When I start to 
looking on newegg, there are several sockets that have AM2+ in it.  My 
question is, which is which or will any of them fit?

The CPU I am looking at is a AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Deneb 
3.0GHz and it says it is a AM2+ as well.  I assume that will fit the 
mobo?  ;-)   It doesn't come with a cooler tho.

I may end up picking something else for the mobo and CPU but I do want 
to figure out what the differences are between these socket types and 
what fits what.  Explanations are good and links are good too.   
Pictures may even be better.  lol

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-)

[gentoo-user] Re: CPU socket and picking a heat sink.

[masterprometheus]

Dale wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Doing some research on building me a new rig.  I have ran into sort 
of a
> hick up.  The socket types are confusing me here.  This is the mobo 
that
> I *might* be getting.
> 
> 
http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=prodmbspec&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=171&cat3_no=&prod_no=1856
> 
> If that link don't work, it is a MSI 790XT-G45 mobo.
> 
> I do most of my shopping on newegg and was looking for a CPU heat 
sink
> to go on that bad boy.  The MSI website says AM2+.  When I start to
> looking on newegg, there are several sockets that have AM2+ in it.  
My
> question is, which is which or will any of them fit?
> 
> The CPU I am looking at is a AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Deneb
> 3.0GHz and it says it is a AM2+ as well.  I assume that will fit the
> mobo?  ;-)   It doesn't come with a cooler tho.
> 
> I may end up picking something else for the mobo and CPU but I do 
want
> to figure out what the differences are between these socket types and
> what fits what.  Explanations are good and links are good too.
> Pictures may even be better.  lol

Yes all HSF for AM2/AM2+/AM3 should work with your CPU. A good one 
(price/performance) would be this one :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082

But may I suggest that you buy another mobo. It's not that cheap and lack 
some features :

1. It utilizes DDR2. I think you want this to get that OEM AMD CPU but 
it's not worth in my opinion. DDR2 modules are generally more expensive 
than DDR3 ones and will be more so in future.

2. No USB 3 ports. May not be that important but it's available already 
in most motherboards.

3. No SATA 6.0 Gb/s ports. No big deal in general but might become 
important if you buy a high performance solid state disk.

4. No e-sata port.

A few options for you :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157197 (no 6Gb/s 
and only 1 USB 3 port but very inexpensive)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131660 (no 
6Gb/s, no e-sata, VIA audio codec, but 2 usb 3 ports)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157192 (VIA 
audio codec, only 1 USB 3 port, up to 2 firewire port, 1 e-sata 6Gb/s, 
all the features, good price)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130269 
(everything right and better components, a little expensive of course)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128435 (great 
layout, high quality components, lacks e-sata though, but lots of 
expansion slots, expensive of course but a great one)

Good luck

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU socket and picking a heat sink.

[Dale]

masterprometheus wrote:
> Dale wrote:
>
>    
>> Hi,
>>
>> Doing some research on building me a new rig.  I have ran into sort
>>      
> of a
>    
>> hick up.  The socket types are confusing me here.  This is the mobo
>>      
> that
>    
>> I *might* be getting.
>>
>>
>>      
> http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=prodmbspec&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=171&cat3_no=&prod_no=1856
>    
>> If that link don't work, it is a MSI 790XT-G45 mobo.
>>
>> I do most of my shopping on newegg and was looking for a CPU heat
>>      
> sink
>    
>> to go on that bad boy.  The MSI website says AM2+.  When I start to
>> looking on newegg, there are several sockets that have AM2+ in it.
>>      
> My
>    
>> question is, which is which or will any of them fit?
>>
>> The CPU I am looking at is a AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Deneb
>> 3.0GHz and it says it is a AM2+ as well.  I assume that will fit the
>> mobo?  ;-)   It doesn't come with a cooler tho.
>>
>> I may end up picking something else for the mobo and CPU but I do
>>      
> want
>    
>> to figure out what the differences are between these socket types and
>> what fits what.  Explanations are good and links are good too.
>> Pictures may even be better.  lol
>>      
> Yes all HSF for AM2/AM2+/AM3 should work with your CPU. A good one
> (price/performance) would be this one :
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082
>
> But may I suggest that you buy another mobo. It's not that cheap and lack
> some features :
>
> 1. It utilizes DDR2. I think you want this to get that OEM AMD CPU but
> it's not worth in my opinion. DDR2 modules are generally more expensive
> than DDR3 ones and will be more so in future.
>
> 2. No USB 3 ports. May not be that important but it's available already
> in most motherboards.
>
> 3. No SATA 6.0 Gb/s ports. No big deal in general but might become
> important if you buy a high performance solid state disk.
>
> 4. No e-sata port.
>
> A few options for you :
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157197 (no 6Gb/s
> and only 1 USB 3 port but very inexpensive)
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131660 (no
> 6Gb/s, no e-sata, VIA audio codec, but 2 usb 3 ports)
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157192 (VIA
> audio codec, only 1 USB 3 port, up to 2 firewire port, 1 e-sata 6Gb/s,
> all the features, good price)
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130269
> (everything right and better components, a little expensive of course)
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128435 (great
> layout, high quality components, lacks e-sata though, but lots of
> expansion slots, expensive of course but a great one)
>
> Good luck
>
>    

Thanks for confirming that the coolers will fit.  I did some googling 
but it just wasn't making sense to me yet.  I found a site later on that 
said most coolers used different "adapters" to work with different 
sockets if needed.  That helped me figure out some of it.

Picking another mobo was a good idea.  I actually ended up picking this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103675

That is a GIGABYTE GA-770T-USB3 AM3 AMD 770 which is a bit better.  I'll 
have to figure out a way to get my UPS, which uses a serial port, to 
work but I *think* I still have a serial to USB adapter around here 
somewhere.  I'm going to have to cross that bridge one of these days.

This mobo is not as new as the Gigabyte you linked to but the one I 
posted above is in my budget.  I actually blew my budget and may end up 
spending a little more than planed.  I forgot the the new way for drives 
is to use SATA instead of IDE.  I had to add a DVD burner that was SATA 
and also had to get some Artic Silver since I can't find my other tube 
from years ago.

I'll take the opportunity to say this again.  The new Cooler Master case 
is HUGE.  lol

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU socket and picking a heat sink.

[John Campbell]

On 12/03/2010 05:38 PM, Dale wrote:
> masterprometheus wrote:
> 
> Thanks for confirming that the coolers will fit.  I did some googling
> but it just wasn't making sense to me yet.  I found a site later on that
> said most coolers used different "adapters" to work with different
> sockets if needed.  That helped me figure out some of it.
> 
> Picking another mobo was a good idea.  I actually ended up picking this
> one:
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103675

That's a black-box CPU, not OEM.  It includes a heatsink/fan.  As far as
I known, AMD heatsinks are fine for normal usage.  You're not getting a
high-end board so I assume you're not trying to tax the hell out of the
CPU.  You should be fine with that.

> That is a GIGABYTE GA-770T-USB3 AM3 AMD 770 which is a bit better.  I'll
> have to figure out a way to get my UPS, which uses a serial port, to
> work but I *think* I still have a serial to USB adapter around here
> somewhere.  I'm going to have to cross that bridge one of these days.

I have the AMD2+ version of that motherboard and it has a legacy serial
header just like it has a legacy floppy connector.  You just need to get
a cable.  Looking at the picture on NewEgg there seems to be a COMMA
plug in the upper right corner of the motherboard.  You'd need to pull
the manual from Gigabyte to be sure.

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: CPU socket and picking a heat sink.

[masterprometheus]

Dale wrote:

> Thanks for confirming that the coolers will fit.  I did some googling
> but it just wasn't making sense to me yet.  I found a site later on 
that
> said most coolers used different "adapters" to work with different
> sockets if needed.  That helped me figure out some of it.
> 
> Picking another mobo was a good idea.  I actually ended up picking this
> one:
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103675

This is a retail product, it will come with a cooling device. If you're 
not going to overclock it will be sufficient and you won't need to pay 
for an HSF. However, some third party coolers produce much less noise if 
that's a consideration.

> 
> That is a GIGABYTE GA-770T-USB3 AM3 AMD 770 which is a bit better. 

A good board and choice. 

> I'll
> have to figure out a way to get my UPS, which uses a serial port, to
> work but I *think* I still have a serial to USB adapter around here
> somewhere.  I'm going to have to cross that bridge one of these days.

Your motherboard includes a serial port header. The only thing you need 
is a port like this one :

http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat_id=3543&sku=09480#

 
> This mobo is not as new as the Gigabyte you linked to but the one I
> posted above is in my budget.  I actually blew my budget and may end up
> spending a little more than planed.  I forgot the the new way for 
drives
> is to use SATA instead of IDE.  I had to add a DVD burner that was SATA

This board supports up to 2 PATA devices. I guess you already had some 
PATA devices. 

> and also had to get some Artic Silver since I can't find my other tube
> from years ago.
> 
> I'll take the opportunity to say this again.  The new Cooler Master 
case
> is HUGE.  lol

Which coolermaster you picked ? Good luck.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU socket and picking a heat sink.

[Dale]

John Campbell wrote:
> On 12/03/2010 05:38 PM, Dale wrote:
>    
>> masterprometheus wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for confirming that the coolers will fit.  I did some googling
>> but it just wasn't making sense to me yet.  I found a site later on that
>> said most coolers used different "adapters" to work with different
>> sockets if needed.  That helped me figure out some of it.
>>
>> Picking another mobo was a good idea.  I actually ended up picking this
>> one:
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103675
>>      
> That's a black-box CPU, not OEM.  It includes a heatsink/fan.  As far as
> I known, AMD heatsinks are fine for normal usage.  You're not getting a
> high-end board so I assume you're not trying to tax the hell out of the
> CPU.  You should be fine with that.
>    

I run folding in the winter so I will be running the heck out of the CPU 
at least.  ;-)   Folding helps heat the place up a little bit.  I 
couldn't find a OEM version of that CPU tho.  I used the list of 
supported CPU's from Gigabytes site.

>    
>> That is a GIGABYTE GA-770T-USB3 AM3 AMD 770 which is a bit better.  I'll
>> have to figure out a way to get my UPS, which uses a serial port, to
>> work but I *think* I still have a serial to USB adapter around here
>> somewhere.  I'm going to have to cross that bridge one of these days.
>>      
> I have the AMD2+ version of that motherboard and it has a legacy serial
> header just like it has a legacy floppy connector.  You just need to get
> a cable.  Looking at the picture on NewEgg there seems to be a COMMA
> plug in the upper right corner of the motherboard.  You'd need to pull
> the manual from Gigabyte to be sure.
>
>    

Thanks for that.  I'll look into that when I get it in.  I usually go 
over a new mobo with a magnifying glass anyway to see what all is on 
there.  They always have that disclaimer that products are subject to 
change ya know.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: CPU socket and picking a heat sink.

[Dale]

masterprometheus wrote:
> Dale wrote:
>
>    
>> Thanks for confirming that the coolers will fit.  I did some googling
>> but it just wasn't making sense to me yet.  I found a site later on
>>      
> that
>    
>> said most coolers used different "adapters" to work with different
>> sockets if needed.  That helped me figure out some of it.
>>
>> Picking another mobo was a good idea.  I actually ended up picking this
>> one:
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103675
>>      
> This is a retail product, it will come with a cooling device. If you're
> not going to overclock it will be sufficient and you won't need to pay
> for an HSF. However, some third party coolers produce much less noise if
> that's a consideration.
>    

I know but I can't find a OEM version.  As I posted in another reply, I 
used the supported CPU list from Gigabytes site to pick this CPU.  VERY 
open to a OEM version tho.


>> That is a GIGABYTE GA-770T-USB3 AM3 AMD 770 which is a bit better.
>>      
> A good board and choice.
>    

Good to know.  I don't need, and can't afford, bleeding edge hardware.

>> I'll
>> have to figure out a way to get my UPS, which uses a serial port, to
>> work but I *think* I still have a serial to USB adapter around here
>> somewhere.  I'm going to have to cross that bridge one of these days.
>>      
> Your motherboard includes a serial port header. The only thing you need
> is a port like this one :
>
> http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat_id=3543&sku=09480#
>    

Thanks for the link.  If the mobo does have that when it gets here, I'll 
be ordering that.  I need one anyway since dial-up is my back-up 
connection to the net.  I hope it never comes to that tho.  Sort of 
hooked on DSL now.  lol
>
>    
>> This mobo is not as new as the Gigabyte you linked to but the one I
>> posted above is in my budget.  I actually blew my budget and may end up
>> spending a little more than planed.  I forgot the the new way for
>>      
> drives
>    
>> is to use SATA instead of IDE.  I had to add a DVD burner that was SATA
>>      
> This board supports up to 2 PATA devices. I guess you already had some
> PATA devices.
>
>    

It does have one connection but I'm wanting to go ahead and go SATA all 
the way if I can.  I may hook up a old hard drive that is IDE one day, 
maybe as a rescue or something.  I plan to continue using my old rig to 
run folding at least.

>> and also had to get some Artic Silver since I can't find my other tube
>> from years ago.
>>
>> I'll take the opportunity to say this again.  The new Cooler Master
>>      
> case
>    
>> is HUGE.  lol
>>      
> Which coolermaster you picked ? Good luck.
>
>
>    

I picked this monster:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119160

I got it in already and it is nice, especially compared to my old case.

Dale

:-)  :-)

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: CPU socket and picking a heat sink.

[masterprometheus]

Dale wrote:

> masterprometheus wrote:
>> Dale wrote:

>> Your motherboard includes a serial port header. The only thing you 
need
>> is a port like this one :
>>
>> http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat_id=3543&sku=09480#
>>    
> 
> Thanks for the link.  If the mobo does have that when it gets here, 
I'll
> be ordering that.  

Your mobo has that connector. You can see it in newegg's pictures.


>> Which coolermaster you picked ? Good luck.
    
> I picked this monster:
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119160
> 
> I got it in already and it is nice, especially compared to my old case.

It's a great one. Would be my choice too if I had to buy a new chassis. 
The price is more than you paid for your CPU and you're saying you don't 
have money for a better mobo :) ? Actually paying for a good computer 
case is a great idea, you won't regret. 

BTW something I forgot to mention is that the other expensive gigabyte 
mobo has a dedicated memory (128 MB DDR3) for its integrated graphics 
(called sideport memory by AMD). Not a big deal but it's a nice feature. 

Last, I hope you have a good PSU, don't use a crappy one. If you need 
help picking one, don't hesitate to ask. 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: CPU socket and picking a heat sink.

[Dale]

masterprometheus wrote:
> Dale wrote:
>
>    
>> masterprometheus wrote:
>>      
>>> Dale wrote:
>>>        
>    
>>> Your motherboard includes a serial port header. The only thing you
>>>        
> need
>    
>>> is a port like this one :
>>>
>>> http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat_id=3543&sku=09480#
>>>
>>>        
>> Thanks for the link.  If the mobo does have that when it gets here,
>>      
> I'll
>    
>> be ordering that.
>>      
> Your mobo has that connector. You can see it in newegg's pictures.
>    

Well, they have that disclaimer at the bottom that says it is subject to 
change so the one I get may not have one.  It would be my luck anyway.  ;-)

>
>    
>>> Which coolermaster you picked ? Good luck.
>>>        
>
>    
>> I picked this monster:
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119160
>>
>> I got it in already and it is nice, especially compared to my old case.
>>      
> It's a great one. Would be my choice too if I had to buy a new chassis.
> The price is more than you paid for your CPU and you're saying you don't
> have money for a better mobo :) ? Actually paying for a good computer
> case is a great idea, you won't regret.
>
> BTW something I forgot to mention is that the other expensive gigabyte
> mobo has a dedicated memory (128 MB DDR3) for its integrated graphics
> (called sideport memory by AMD). Not a big deal but it's a nice feature.
>
> Last, I hope you have a good PSU, don't use a crappy one. If you need
> help picking one, don't hesitate to ask.
>
>    

I actually caught the case on sale at tigerdirect.  It was $100.00 with 
free shipping I think.  I bought the power supply there at the same time 
tho so I still had to pay some shipping.  It's a Thermaltake TRX-650M.  
I got it because I have one close to that in my current rig and it has 
been a good one so far.  Since I blow the dust out about every month or 
so, it should last a long time.  I also have a UPS on this thing too.  
It gets some good clean power so that makes it easier on the power supply.

I was googling around the other night and found where someone put womens 
stockings on the case to help filter out the dust.  I got A/C filters 
velcro'd to the intakes on my old case now.  It ain't pretty but it does 
keep out a HUGE amount of dust.

I may order this stuff tomorrow.  I'm still giving the CPU cooler the 
evil eye.  I'm getting the ZALMAN CNPS10X Performa cooler for mine but 
still looking at a couple others.  Basically, I want it to run as cool 
as I can while not putting a gold brick on it.  lol

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: CPU socket and picking a heat sink.

[Marcus Wanner]

On Sun, 2010-12-05 at 17:04 -0600, Dale wrote:
> I actually caught the case on sale at tigerdirect.  It was $100.00 with 
> free shipping I think.  I bought the power supply there at the same time 
> tho so I still had to pay some shipping.  It's a Thermaltake TRX-650M.  
> I got it because I have one close to that in my current rig and it has 
> been a good one so far.  Since I blow the dust out about every month or 
> so, it should last a long time.  I also have a UPS on this thing too.  
> It gets some good clean power so that makes it easier on the power supply.

Hey, to rather rudely butt in, has anyone considered taking the
component mounts off a really old case and building a new one? I mean,
you can use whatever material you want, and it would take probably less
time than shopping endlessly for a cheap pre-made one...

Marcus Wanner