[gentoo-user] Thunderbird oddity

[gentoo-user] Thunderbird oddity

[Wols Lists]

It's actually been like this a while - but my Thunderbird has lost its 
title bar. The top bars are the search bar, with the menu bar underneath 
it. So I have an "X" to close thunderbird with on the search bar, but 
that's it. The "v" and "^" to maximise and minimise aren't there because 
the bar they live on isn't there.

How do I get my bar back? -)

(The bar is quite happily on the window I'm typing this email in, just 
not on my main Thunderbird window.)

Cheers,
Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird oddity

[Viorel Munteanu]

La 29.09.2024 12:08, Wols Lists a scris:
> It's actually been like this a while - but my Thunderbird has lost its 
> title bar. The top bars are the search bar, with the menu bar 
> underneath it. So I have an "X" to close thunderbird with on the 
> search bar, but that's it. The "v" and "^" to maximise and minimise 
> aren't there because the bar they live on isn't there.
>
> How do I get my bar back? -)
>
> (The bar is quite happily on the window I'm typing this email in, just 
> not on my main Thunderbird window.)
>
> Cheers,
> Wol
>
Settings -> General -> Window Layout -> Hide system window titlebar

Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird oddity

[Wols Lists]

On 29/09/2024 11:47, Viorel Munteanu wrote:
> La 29.09.2024 12:08, Wols Lists a scris:
>> It's actually been like this a while - but my Thunderbird has lost its 
>> title bar. The top bars are the search bar, with the menu bar 
>> underneath it. So I have an "X" to close thunderbird with on the 
>> search bar, but that's it. The "v" and "^" to maximise and minimise 
>> aren't there because the bar they live on isn't there.
>>
>> How do I get my bar back? -)
>>
>> (The bar is quite happily on the window I'm typing this email in, just 
>> not on my main Thunderbird window.)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Wol
>>
> Settings -> General -> Window Layout -> Hide system window titlebar
> 
> 
> 
Thank you very much, that's fixed it!

Cheers,
Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird oddity

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sunday 29 September 2024 10:08:36 BST Wols Lists wrote:
> It's actually been like this a while - but my Thunderbird has lost its
> title bar. The top bars are the search bar, with the menu bar underneath
> it. So I have an "X" to close thunderbird with on the search bar, but
> that's it. The "v" and "^" to maximise and minimise aren't there because
> the bar they live on isn't there.
> 
> How do I get my bar back? -)

Firefox has been like that here for some months now. Either ALT-F3 and move 
it, if that's what you want, or CRTL-Q and restart it somewhere else.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird oddity

[Michael]

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On Sunday 29 September 2024 12:11:13 BST Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Sunday 29 September 2024 10:08:36 BST Wols Lists wrote:
> > It's actually been like this a while - but my Thunderbird has lost its
> > title bar. The top bars are the search bar, with the menu bar underneath
> > it. So I have an "X" to close thunderbird with on the search bar, but
> > that's it. The "v" and "^" to maximise and minimise aren't there because
> > the bar they live on isn't there.
> > 
> > How do I get my bar back? -)
> 
> Firefox has been like that here for some months now. Either ALT-F3 and move
> it, if that's what you want, or CRTL-Q and restart it somewhere else.

If you right click twice near the top edge of the window, then the Plasma 
window menu show up.  From there you can select to minimise/maximise.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird oddity

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sunday 29 September 2024 13:03:04 BST Michael wrote:
> On Sunday 29 September 2024 12:11:13 BST Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Sunday 29 September 2024 10:08:36 BST Wols Lists wrote:
> > > It's actually been like this a while - but my Thunderbird has lost its
> > > title bar. The top bars are the search bar, with the menu bar underneath
> > > it. So I have an "X" to close thunderbird with on the search bar, but
> > > that's it. The "v" and "^" to maximise and minimise aren't there because
> > > the bar they live on isn't there.
> > > 
> > > How do I get my bar back? -)
> > 
> > Firefox has been like that here for some months now. Either ALT-F3 and
> > move
> > it, if that's what you want, or CRTL-Q and restart it somewhere else.
> 
> If you right click twice near the top edge of the window, then the Plasma
> window menu show up.  From there you can select to minimise/maximise.

Yes, but why has FF shrugged off the standard presentation of a program window? 
And why is it allowed to get away with it?

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird oddity

[Frank Steinmetzger]

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Am Sun, Sep 29, 2024 at 03:20:06PM +0100 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
> On Sunday 29 September 2024 13:03:04 BST Michael wrote:
> > On Sunday 29 September 2024 12:11:13 BST Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > > On Sunday 29 September 2024 10:08:36 BST Wols Lists wrote:
> > > > It's actually been like this a while - but my Thunderbird has lost its
> > > > title bar. The top bars are the search bar, with the menu bar underneath
> > > > it. So I have an "X" to close thunderbird with on the search bar, but
> > > > that's it. The "v" and "^" to maximise and minimise aren't there because
> > > > the bar they live on isn't there.
> > > > 
> > > > How do I get my bar back? -)
> > > 
> > > Firefox has been like that here for some months now. Either ALT-F3 and
> > > move
> > > it, if that's what you want, or CRTL-Q and restart it somewhere else.
> > 
> > If you right click twice near the top edge of the window, then the Plasma
> > window menu show up.  From there you can select to minimise/maximise.
> 
> Yes, but why has FF shrugged off the standard presentation of a program window? 
> And why is it allowed to get away with it?

It’s been doing this for very many a year in Windows already (I think Chrome 
started that trend), and also in Gnome everything “has to be”™ a unified 
window titlebar now.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird oddity

[Peter Humphrey]

On Monday 30 September 2024 11:00:09 BST Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> Am Sun, Sep 29, 2024 at 03:20:06PM +0100 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
> > On Sunday 29 September 2024 13:03:04 BST Michael wrote:
> > > On Sunday 29 September 2024 12:11:13 BST Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > > > On Sunday 29 September 2024 10:08:36 BST Wols Lists wrote:
> > > > > It's actually been like this a while - but my Thunderbird has lost
> > > > > its
> > > > > title bar. The top bars are the search bar, with the menu bar
> > > > > underneath
> > > > > it. So I have an "X" to close thunderbird with on the search bar,
> > > > > but
> > > > > that's it. The "v" and "^" to maximise and minimise aren't there
> > > > > because
> > > > > the bar they live on isn't there.
> > > > > 
> > > > > How do I get my bar back? -)
> > > > 
> > > > Firefox has been like that here for some months now. Either ALT-F3 and
> > > > move
> > > > it, if that's what you want, or CRTL-Q and restart it somewhere else.
> > > 
> > > If you right click twice near the top edge of the window, then the
> > > Plasma
> > > window menu show up.  From there you can select to minimise/maximise.
> > 
> > Yes, but why has FF shrugged off the standard presentation of a program
> > window? And why is it allowed to get away with it?
> 
> It’s been doing this for very many a year in Windows already (I think Chrome
> started that trend), and also in Gnome everything “has to be”™ a unified
> window titlebar now.

A main reason for avoiding Gnome: its adoption of the Windows attitude - we 
know what you need better than you do - go and sit quietly in the corner.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird oddity

[Eli Schwartz]

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On 9/29/24 10:20 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> Yes, but why has FF shrugged off the standard presentation of a 
> program window?


Because they want to.

Because other browsers do it.

Because Desktop Environments have started to do it.

Because none of these three groups care what users want.


> And why is it allowed to get away with it?


Better ask why gnome is allowed to get away with it. The reason why
Mozilla is allowed to get away with it is much more obvious:

Mozilla is a for-profit corporation, and Firefox is a side project for
them which they avoid talking about because browsers embarrass them.

This makes Firefox trend towards being as bad as every other browser
already is (Firefox is still edging by on being a bit better than the
competition, for now), but writing a browser from scratch that supports
currently existing websites (i.e. isn't a toy like lynx) is a
challenging endeavor and there is very little competition at all.

(It is fascinating that there is actually any competition at all. But
Ladybird does exist, somehow!)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird oddity

[Wols Lists]

On 29/09/2024 13:03, Michael wrote:
> On Sunday 29 September 2024 12:11:13 BST Peter Humphrey wrote:
>> On Sunday 29 September 2024 10:08:36 BST Wols Lists wrote:
>>> It's actually been like this a while - but my Thunderbird has lost its
>>> title bar. The top bars are the search bar, with the menu bar underneath
>>> it. So I have an "X" to close thunderbird with on the search bar, but
>>> that's it. The "v" and "^" to maximise and minimise aren't there because
>>> the bar they live on isn't there.
>>>
>>> How do I get my bar back? -)
>>
>> Firefox has been like that here for some months now. Either ALT-F3 and move
>> it, if that's what you want, or CRTL-Q and restart it somewhere else.
> 
> If you right click twice near the top edge of the window, then the Plasma
> window menu show up.  From there you can select to minimise/maximise.

Good to know, thanks ...

Cheers,
Wol