From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LUh97-0001QA-O2 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:46:25 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B3A2BE0465; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f13.google.com (mail-gx0-f13.google.com [209.85.217.13]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA2DE0442 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so2583726gxk.10 for ; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:46:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:reply-to:to :in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version :x-mailer; bh=yBuAUlODetlHqg3AO3z6Vzhjnydu4gEl84/It6giVoA=; b=Z6loXkemFt4pKbJ4T1TL3dKVab+nMBY2gGkBTBTk3fyhbmgEgrLKouGX/0jMlNQ65c YO5F4AVRYnLs4Qp0K8BvBEqRWG/hLk0MMyHx3PjQyUzv/e8m3ecgEX9QGf8uCgXnhsqt ma6J3kqBuICnTAeqQ8IePsMF3AeKMYhl8gnKg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:reply-to:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; b=vKneGsPjqCfXAe4maimohMeBithp17/gCokt3oXPcscA6oEKkeSxP8P5oRzZ3BABCW RNm8UlOBn1QWbPEhHjaqLb9BavdAhGbkrhSnTY/EQcwt0heVfNRQ+puH/CWC2If1oQsu zsLUh//g4LalWT8r4TZTf88SR4wwxcRRRiPo4= Received: by 10.90.26.10 with SMTP id 10mr4112970agz.95.1233751584122; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:46:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?190.203.88.146? ([190.203.88.146]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 38sm11165747agd.21.2009.02.04.04.46.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:46:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sebasti=E1n_Magr=ED?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <5030d26b8fcf9e92798db691a50d7379.squirrel@jesgue.homelinux.org> References: <58965d8a0902031506u76e1028el43fcda05fe34d629@mail.gmail.com> <5030d26b8fcf9e92798db691a50d7379.squirrel@jesgue.homelinux.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-3lmMZh8J0TXkIIs6+5nC" Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 08:12:21 -0430 Message-Id: <1233751342.4596.8.camel@silversword> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 X-Archives-Salt: 174e5332-8670-49e5-9d47-31d69dca170b X-Archives-Hash: f6bc5a6643703738bec91d0a1b8cb6c7 --=-3lmMZh8J0TXkIIs6+5nC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El mi=C3=A9, 04-02-2009 a las 11:09 +0100, Jes=C3=BAs Guerrero escribi=C3= =B3: >=20 >=20 >=20 > El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 0:06, Paul Hartman escribi=C3=B3: > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: > > > >> Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's describe as a system > >> similar to BSD "ports" where you build packages from source. The main > >> benefit claimed for this approach is that you get better performance > >> because all executables are optimized for exactly the right instructio= n > >> set. > >> > >> Where did that bit of apocrypha come from, and why is it > >> parroted by so many people? > > > > I've never done any benchmarks on my system of i386 vs core2 or > > anything like that... I think the fact that gentoo allows you to contro= l > > compiler flags which can potentially give you speedups is more of it. B= ut, > > like you, building from source is kind of a side-effect of Gentoo and n= ot > > the reason why. Compiling for the sake of compiling is just a waste of > > time, and that's why a lot of people say "Just use Ubuntu" or whatever. >=20 > Not really. Compiling the things gives you control over what > dependencies will that package have. In a binary distro mplayer > will usually push like 80 or 800 (I never counted them) packages > due to the number of features that it potentially has. >=20 > If you don't install those, then the ldd info of the binary is > broken because it can't find the needed object files outside of > mplayer. >=20 > Compiling the packages allow you to tune CFLAGS, ok. But even if > you think that -most times- this doesn't make a difference, it's > still worth the trouble compiling it, if only for the sake of > mplayer not having to depend on 200MB of additional software for it > to install correctly. >=20 > In gentoo, this is as easy as to set your use flags up, and then > emerge. Easy as hell, and you don't have to go ./configure'ing > with a dozen parameters every single package in your system, > because portage takes cares of that. >=20 > I absolutely don't care much about the CFLAGS stuff, I just set > up my -march and forget about it for years. And I think that > there's a lot of point in using GEntoo, even if you have zero > interest in compiling sofware there're still a lot of reasons > why I would use Gentoo over any other Linux. >=20 >=20 Also, Gentoo is a great school. If you want to learn how a Linux system works, and really want to learn about Unix systems, then Gentoo is the best for you. The huge knowledge base is one of the things that make Gentoo as good as it is, and left the users without excuses when they break the system. With the power of the CPUs growing every day, the -long time compiling- idea is becoming irrelevant, this way, I see more benefits on continue using mi beloved Gentoo and feel users have less excuses to continue using other distros, but, they are free of choosing, I choose Gentoo because Gentoo lets me choose...=20 --=-3lmMZh8J0TXkIIs6+5nC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje =?ISO-8859-1?Q?est=E1?= firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkmJjS0ACgkQXk6IGbO9i1mHmwCgtm3NDRuk90jGfNYjVisFcwoj Z4cAniuXXldZpyTfC+e33Cvyr66Z7OM+ =o51U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-3lmMZh8J0TXkIIs6+5nC--