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From: Joost Roeleveld <joost@antarean.org>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:32:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <12328492.BGaVIiLfgt@eve> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52492FDC.5080908@gmail.com>

On Monday 30 September 2013 10:01:32 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 30/09/2013 06:14, Walter Dnes wrote:
> >   If the udev people had made "net ifnames=0" the default, and allowed
> > 
> > the small percentage of multi-nic machine admins to set "net.ifnames=1",
> > this would not have been an issue.  Some corner case exotic setups
> > require complex solutions... no ifs/ands/ors/buts.  All the complaining
> > you hear is from the other 99% who's setup worked just fine with the
> > simple solution, suddenly finding the complex solution rammed down their
> > throats.
> 
> No, that is just plain wrong.
> 
> Having interfaces on a multi-nic host come up as ethX where X is a
> mostly random number is just so broken it beggars belief. Trust me, it
> is zero fun when it happens and what makes it even worse if you have no
> warning at all beforehand.

I trust you, but on my multi-nic systems, I found a better solution :)
As I use Xen to virtualize my systems and as I don't want to have multiple 
network cables running side-by-side, I started using VLANs.

I know have all the NICs names eth1,eth2,...ethn.
I throw them all as a bonded network device: bond0 (the other ends go into a 
switch supporting bonding network ports)
then on top of that, I have VLANs with distinctive names (lan, dmz, guest, 
vm,...) and link these as required to different Xen-domains.

When the network names get renamed suddenly to the "non-predictive" scheme, my 
system refuses to boot.
Before that, I would use mac-addresses to link ethx devices to names that make 
sense to me. (see above for the names)

--
Joost


  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-30 10:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 262+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-27 22:21 [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 Bruce Hill
2013-09-27 22:33 ` Dale
2013-09-27 22:39   ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-27 22:57     ` Dale
2013-09-27 23:10       ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-27 23:47         ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-28  0:39         ` David W Noon
2013-09-28  8:30           ` Mick
2013-09-28  8:42         ` Dale
2013-09-28 12:30           ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-28 12:49             ` David W Noon
2013-09-28 12:54               ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-29 14:20             ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 14:57               ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-29 17:24                 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 17:41                   ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-09-29 18:02                   ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-29 18:29                     ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-28 11:32         ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-28 13:15           ` Michael Hampicke
2013-09-28 15:06             ` Dale
2013-09-28 16:54               ` Mick
2013-09-28 17:49               ` Michael Hampicke
2013-09-28 18:18                 ` Dale
2013-09-28 22:46                   ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 14:49                   ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 15:24                     ` Dale
2013-09-29 17:37                       ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 18:25                         ` Dale
2013-09-29 18:45                           ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 21:23                             ` Walter Dnes
2013-09-29 21:32                               ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 21:33                                 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 23:05                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 21:35                             ` Dale
2013-09-29 22:58                               ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 23:27                                 ` Dale
2013-09-30 17:10                                   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-30 17:25                                     ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-30 17:42                                       ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-30 19:10                                       ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 20:47                                       ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-01  3:36                                         ` Bruce Hill
2013-10-01  7:37                                           ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-30 20:48                                     ` Dale
2013-09-30 21:04                                       ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-10-01  1:43                                         ` Dale
2013-09-29 23:19                               ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 23:34                                 ` Dale
2013-09-30  8:09                             ` Joost Roeleveld
2013-09-29 18:45                           ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-30 16:38                           ` Dan Johansson
2013-09-30 18:09                             ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-09-30 20:08                               ` Dan Johansson
2013-09-30 20:50                             ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 15:41                     ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-09-29 20:17                       ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 14:30             ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-28 14:04           ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-28 18:11             ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-28 19:50               ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-28 22:51                 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 14:55                 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 17:55             ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 20:28               ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 23:31             ` Daniel Campbell
2013-09-29 23:57               ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-30 10:01                 ` Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
2013-09-30 10:22                   ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-02 23:28                     ` [gentoo-user] " Jonathan Callen
2013-09-30  9:31               ` [gentoo-user] " Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 10:27                 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-09-30 10:28                   ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-28  0:32       ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-28 16:01         ` William Hubbs
2013-09-28 17:31           ` Dale
2013-09-28 19:53             ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-28 22:15               ` Dale
2013-09-28 22:46                 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-28 23:09                   ` Dale
2013-09-29  5:29                     ` Walter Dnes
2013-09-29  8:25                       ` Mick
2013-09-29  8:28                         ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 10:55                           ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 11:03                             ` Greg Woodbury
2013-09-29 11:58                               ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 15:12                                 ` Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim (was: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01) Greg Woodbury
2013-09-29 15:22                                   ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-09-29 16:03                                   ` [gentoo-user] Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 16:33                                     ` Dale
2013-09-29 19:42                                       ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 21:41                                         ` Dale
2013-09-29 22:04                                           ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30  6:31                                             ` pk
2013-09-30  7:32                                               ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 19:40                                                 ` pk
2013-09-30 21:05                                                   ` Walter Dnes
2013-09-30 22:37                                                     ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-11  8:16                                                       ` [gentoo-user] " Steven J. Long
2013-10-11  8:44                                                         ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-11 14:44                                                         ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-10-01 19:22                                               ` [gentoo-user] " Mark David Dumlao
2013-10-01 19:28                                                 ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-10-11  7:54                                             ` [gentoo-user] " Steven J. Long
2013-10-11  7:50                                               ` Alan McKinnon
2013-10-11 11:22                                                 ` [gentoo-user] " Steven J. Long
2013-09-29 16:41                                     ` [gentoo-user] " Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)
2013-09-29 22:47                                       ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-30 23:21                                         ` Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)
2013-10-01  5:11                                           ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-10-01  5:14                                             ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-10-01 16:35                                           ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-10-11  8:28                                             ` [gentoo-user] " Steven J. Long
2013-10-11 15:50                                               ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 17:54                                   ` [gentoo-user] " Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 19:30                                 ` [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 Alan McKinnon
2013-10-08  0:03                                 ` [gentoo-user] " walt
2013-10-08 18:11                                   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-10-09  4:16                                     ` William Hubbs
2013-10-10  0:24                                       ` walt
2013-10-10 14:46                                         ` William Hubbs
2013-10-10 15:29                                           ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-10-11  6:59                                             ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2013-09-29 18:46                               ` [gentoo-user] " Neil Bothwick
2013-10-02 16:58                               ` the
2013-09-29 19:16                             ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30  2:23                         ` [gentoo-user] " »Q«
2013-09-29 18:41                     ` [gentoo-user] " Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 21:48                       ` Dale
2013-09-29 23:12                         ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 17:43                   ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 18:53                     ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 19:54                     ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 20:20             ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-09-29 22:00               ` Dale
2013-09-29 22:31                 ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-09-29 23:08                   ` Dale
2013-09-30  7:35                     ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30  9:27                       ` Dale
2013-09-29 23:40             ` Daniel Campbell
2013-09-30  7:39               ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-28 19:04           ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-09-28 20:17             ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-28 21:09               ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-09-28 22:37                 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29  4:48                   ` Greg Woodbury
2013-09-29  5:08                     ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-29  8:43                       ` Dale
2013-09-29 12:07                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-09-29 16:10                     ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 22:06                       ` Walter Dnes
2013-09-29 23:00                         ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-30  4:14                           ` Walter Dnes
2013-09-30  4:21                             ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-09-30  4:36                               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-09-30  9:25                                 ` Walter Dnes
2013-09-30  8:01                             ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 10:32                               ` Joost Roeleveld [this message]
2013-09-30 10:41                                 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30  8:19                             ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 23:24                         ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 17:55                     ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 18:30                     ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-28 22:24               ` Dale
2013-09-29 17:58               ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 18:21                 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-09-29 18:32                   ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 19:11                   ` William Hubbs
2013-09-29 19:34                     ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-09-29 19:41                       ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-09-29 23:02                 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 23:52                   ` Greg Woodbury
2013-09-30  0:02                     ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-11  8:36               ` [gentoo-user] " Steven J. Long
2013-10-11  8:42                 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-11 11:27                   ` [gentoo-user] " Steven J. Long
2013-10-11 11:55                     ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-11 13:11                       ` Peter Humphrey
2013-10-11 13:58                         ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-12  2:21                   ` [gentoo-user] " walt
2013-10-12  5:06                     ` Daniel Campbell
2013-10-12  8:11                     ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 14:53             ` [gentoo-user] " Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 15:39               ` Dale
2013-09-30  4:55                 ` [gentoo-user] " »Q«
2013-09-30  9:24                   ` Dale
2013-09-29 18:36               ` [gentoo-user] " Neil Bothwick
2013-09-30 10:16                 ` Joost Roeleveld
2013-09-30 10:24                   ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-30 10:35                     ` Joost Roeleveld
2013-09-29 17:59           ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 20:09             ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 20:35               ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-30 10:20               ` Joost Roeleveld
2013-09-28 20:43   ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2013-09-28 20:58     ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-09-28 22:36       ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-28 23:23         ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-28 23:31           ` pk
2013-09-29  0:01             ` Dale
2013-09-29  0:10               ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29  0:33               ` pk
2013-09-29  4:05               ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-29 10:59             ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 15:24               ` pk
2013-09-29 16:11                 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 16:36                   ` Dale
2013-09-29 17:05                     ` pk
2013-09-29  0:08           ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 10:59             ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29  6:06         ` Walter Dnes
2013-09-29  9:30           ` pk
2013-09-29 10:21           ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 17:55         ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 18:55           ` William Hubbs
2013-09-29 19:09             ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-09 13:39               ` gottlieb
2013-09-29 20:39             ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 20:51             ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 21:15               ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 22:53                 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 23:09                   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-30  9:00                   ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 17:25                     ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-30 19:14                       ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 22:05                         ` Mick
2013-09-30 22:39                           ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-01 12:35                         ` PORTDIR default - changing PORTDIR variable - WAS " Tanstaafl
2013-10-01 12:46                           ` Alan McKinnon
2013-10-01 13:52                             ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-01 14:11                               ` Alan McKinnon
2013-10-01 14:57                                 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-01 14:17                               ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-01 13:13                           ` Dragostin Yanev
2013-10-01 14:14                           ` Michael Orlitzky
2013-10-01 18:15                             ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-01 18:48                               ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-01 21:24                                 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-10-01 22:51                                   ` Greg Turner
2013-10-01 23:41                                     ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-02 12:23                                       ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-02 15:31                                         ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-02 18:24                                           ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-02 20:21                                             ` Tanstaafl
2013-12-04 15:05                                               ` [gentoo-user] Re: PORTDIR default - changing PORTDIR variable Tanstaafl
2013-12-04 21:43                                                 ` Tanstaafl
2013-12-04 22:44                                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2013-12-05 11:47                                                     ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-03  5:48                                   ` PORTDIR default - changing PORTDIR variable - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 joost
2013-10-03  8:11                                     ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-02 12:04                                 ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-02 12:12                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-02 12:29                                     ` Alan McKinnon
2013-10-02 12:28                                   ` Alan McKinnon
2013-10-02 12:53                                     ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-02 15:47                                       ` Alan McKinnon
2013-10-02 16:39                                         ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-03  9:00                                     ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2013-10-03 12:09                                       ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-10-02  8:03                           ` [gentoo-user] Re: PORTDIR default - changing PORTDIR variable Thanasis
2013-09-30  0:28             ` [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 Daniel Campbell
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