Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Iain Buchanan <iaindb@netspace.net.au>]

On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 23:03 -0600, Dale wrote:
> Iain Buchanan wrote:
> > On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 06:48 -0600, Dale wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> Heck, if the price is right, I'd order them.  I try to order a new
> >> Gentoo install CD when it comes out, been a while I know, but it takes
> >> about a week to download a CD.  Last one I got was when I was with my ex
> >> and we had cable then.
> >
> > Funny, in all the recent discussion on creating an install CD, I never
> > thought of this reason for them - that some people can still order them
> > snail-mail faster than downloading it.  Thanks for bringing me back
> > inline!
> 
> Actually, I mentioned that once in that discussion.

oh.  well, in my defence there was a hellofalotof discussion and I tried
to stay interested but I did miss a few comments :)

>   Could you imagine a
> reinstall and having to download ALL the distfiles?
...

Yeah, did that once and didn't like it even on 512kbit!

...
> Not real sure
> >> how to set up Linux to login yet but I'm sure I'll get something figured
> >> out.  :-)
> >>     
> >
> > the best way, IMHO is to get a router/firewall/switch that does it all
> > for you.  You will need an aDSL modem anyway, and nowadays cheap routers
> > don't cost much (if any) more.
> >   
> 
> I plan to get a Linksys router.  That should work right?  That's what we
> had on my ex's cable connection too.

so long as it's not a cable modem ;)  The Billion 7404 works great here,
but then I think that's country-specific so you might not have the exact
model.

...
>   Right now, I'm
> >> connected at 24K and get a throughput of about 3K/sec.  Click on a bunch
> >> of links and go eat supper, take a bath or something like that.  :-p  
> >> It does teach patience tho.  LOL
> >>     
> >
> > I remember the days...  If my kids ever complain about internet speeds
> > (they're only 2.5, and -0.6 atm) I'll whip 'em down to dial up and say
> > "In my day..."
> >   
> 
> Put on a 9800.  Man, they will learn quick then for sure.

"Hey Iain, how come your kids are so well behaved?"
Me: "We have a system.  An untidy room looses you 100kbit/s; fighting
looses you 200kbit/s; not eating dinner looses you 50kbit/s..."

>   -0.6?  The
> biscuits still in the oven? 

Yep, almost half way to going through it all again!

> >> Funnier still, they recently went up on dial-up.  It costs more than DSL
> >> does.  Oh, since I am on the net so much, they also charge me for the
> >> time on the phone too.
> >
> > You mean you don't have a fixed cost dial-up number?
> 
> Well, because we have what is called measured circle, which means we can
> call other towns and they are considered local but with limits on the
> number of minutes each month.  I go aver that limit and they charge a
> little more for that.  It's the phone company.  They get you any way
> they can.  I understand why Vonage is doing so well. 

They're as bad as banks - the major telco here has tried a number of
times to get timed local calls through, but luckily they're still partly
gov't owned, so there's too much outcry.  Essentially any call in the
same city is local.  There are even "national dial-up numbers" which are
special number that ISP's can get.  They're charged at local call rates
no matter where you are in Australia.  I remember staying connected for
about 4 days once :)

> >>   I end up paying about $30 to $40 a month for
> >> internet costs.  Funny huh?  DSL is $19.95 a month.  Me being disabled
> >> makes it even more fun.  I'm wanting DSL to save money right now.  I
> >> should save about $20 a month or so plus have a faster connection.
> >>     
> >
> > plus you can VOIP which saves more $
> >   
> 
> Plan to check on that too.  $$$$

just make sure you go with a "quality" provider!  There are cheap and
nasty providers (here anyway) where call quality is not worth it, and
there are quality providers that guarantee a certain level of quality
and service.  But so long as you don't lock yourself into a plan, you
can chop & change as you like.

> >> Oh well, by Tuesday night I should have it downloaded and ready to go. 
> >> I use the -f switch and get it all before I start to compile stuff.
> >
> > Why don't you have two terminals going - one doing -f, and the other
> > compiling it for real.  They will wait nicely for each other.  At least
> > then you'll get the compile going while you wait for the next download.
> 
> I could just leave off the -f and it would do the same but I like to
> watch the progress.  O_O

not quite the same :)  "emerge -u world" would download one package, and
compile it, download the next, compile it.  So the total time is the sum
of the individual downloads and compiles.

"emerge -f world" and "emerge -u world" in two separate windows would
start downloading, but then as soon as the first package is downloaded,
it starts compiling while the next is being downloaded.  So by the time
you get to downloading the last package, everything but that last
package has already been compiled and installed (for a very slow
connection.  If you had a fast connection, you often finish downloading
well before you've compiled and installed).  This cuts your total time
down quite a bit.

...
> I plan to start out on the basic plan then may upgrade to a faster one
> as I can.  Maybe by then Gentoo will have some other issues sorted out
> and I can help in other ways.  This dial-up sort of limits a person a lot.

yeah, just make sure the basic plan is shaped (if you have a download
quota)

> Well, 12 hour limit.  Better log off and reconnect then start again.  LOL

*l*  cya!
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Iain Buchanan <iaindb at netspace dot net dot au>

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