[gentoo-user] Installing via GRML

[gentoo-user] Installing via GRML

[James]

Hello,

Over the last week, I read where many folks recommend installing
Gentoo using GRML.
Since I have a p3 (650Mz) system I'm installing to build a
small web server for a friend, I figured I check out installing
gentoo via GRML.


Does anyone know of a wiki or simple guide I can follow to do this?


James




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[gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

[reader]

James <wireless@tampabay.rr.com> writes:

> Hello,
>
> Over the last week, I read where many folks recommend installing
> Gentoo using GRML.
> Since I have a p3 (650Mz) system I'm installing to build a
> small web server for a friend, I figured I check out installing
> gentoo via GRML.

People should make it a practice to spell out these acronyms at least
once per post.  What is GRML?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

[Renat Golubchyk]

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On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:03:39 -0600 reader@newsguy.com wrote:
> James <wireless@tampabay.rr.com> writes:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > Over the last week, I read where many folks recommend installing
> > Gentoo using GRML.
> > Since I have a p3 (650Mz) system I'm installing to build a
> > small web server for a friend, I figured I check out installing
> > gentoo via GRML.
> 
> People should make it a practice to spell out these acronyms at least
> once per post.  What is GRML?

Google is your friend. ;-)

http://grml.org/

Quote: "grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and
nowadays based on Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux
software especially for system administrator and users of texttools."


Cheers,
Renat

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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing via GRML

[Wayn0]

James wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Over the last week, I read where many folks recommend installing
> Gentoo using GRML.
> Since I have a p3 (650Mz) system I'm installing to build a
> small web server for a friend, I figured I check out installing
> gentoo via GRML.
> 
> 
> Does anyone know of a wiki or simple guide I can follow to do this?
> 
> 
> James

There is very little difference, you could use the standard gentoo 
handbook.

Wayn0
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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing via GRML

[Dirk Heinrichs]

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> People should make it a practice to spell out these acronyms at least
> once per post.  What is GRML?

Renat already told you what it is, here is what GRML means: 
http://grml.org/faq/#whatmeans :-)

Bye...

	Dirk
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[gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

[Michael Schmarck]

James <wireless <at> tampabay.rr.com> writes:

> 
> Hello,
> 
> Over the last week, I read where many folks recommend installing
> Gentoo using GRML.
> Since I have a p3 (650Mz) system I'm installing to build a
> small web server for a friend, I figured I check out installing
> gentoo via GRML.
> 
> Does anyone know of a wiki or simple guide I can follow to do this?

Sure. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml

IOW: Use the original documentation. Chapter 2 is of course then
of no use, for the most part. The thing about hdparm and user 
accounts is valid none the less, though.

Best regards,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

[Jean-Baptiste Mestelan]

On 15/01/2008, Michael Schmarck <michael.schmarck@habmalnefrage.de> wrote:
> James <wireless <at> tampabay.rr.com> writes:
>
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Over the last week, I read where many folks recommend installing
> > Gentoo using GRML.
> > Since I have a p3 (650Mz) system I'm installing to build a
> > small web server for a friend, I figured I check out installing
> > gentoo via GRML.
> >
> > Does anyone know of a wiki or simple guide I can follow to do this?
>
> Sure. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml
>
> IOW: Use the original documentation. Chapter 2 is of course then
> of no use, for the most part. The thing about hdparm and user
> accounts is valid none the less, though.

I went through a  new install process this week, using Kubuntu liveCD,
and indeed the original documentation applies OK.
Only one minor notice : the part about using 'mirrorselect' will not
work, as this tool will not included in an alternate liveCD, so you
will have to select the mirrors manually (check the syntax beforehand,
maybe).
Also, obviously, you will not be able to use genkernel and
automagically compile kernel (there could be other ways ?).

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

[Dirk Heinrichs]

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Am Dienstag, 15. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Jean-Baptiste Mestelan:

> Also, obviously, you will not be able to use genkernel and
> automagically compile kernel (there could be other ways ?).

make menuconfig && make && make modules_install, maybe? This always works, 
on any distribution. I still wonder why they all invent their own, special 
way of compiling a kernel.

Bye...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

[Michael Schmarck]

Hello!

On Jan 15, 2008 1:54 PM, Jean-Baptiste Mestelan <mestelan@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 15/01/2008, Michael Schmarck <michael.schmarck@habmalnefrage.de> wrote:

[ Installing via GRML ]

> > IOW: Use the original documentation. Chapter 2 is of course then
> > of no use, for the most part. The thing about hdparm and user
> > accounts is valid none the less, though.
>
> I went through a  new install process this week, using Kubuntu liveCD,
> and indeed the original documentation applies OK.
> Only one minor notice : the part about using 'mirrorselect' will not
> work, as this tool will not included in an alternate liveCD, so you
> will have to select the mirrors manually (check the syntax beforehand,
> maybe).

I don't quite understand. When you're installing stuff from
within Kubuntu (or whatever Live CD), you're in a Gentoo chroot.
Why can't you install mirrorselect there and run mirrorselect
in the chroot?

> Also, obviously, you will not be able to use genkernel and
> automagically compile kernel (there could be other ways ?).

Same question, basically. Why can''t you run genkernel
in the chroot (I only used genkernel once, and then switched
back to compiling the kernel by myself)?

Michael
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

[Michael Schmarck]

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Grüezi!

On Jan 15, 2008 2:05 PM, Dirk Heinrichs <dirk.heinrichs.ext@nsn.com> wrote:

> make menuconfig && make && make modules_install, maybe? This always works,
> on any distribution. I still wonder why they all invent their own, special
> way of compiling a kernel.

Nice thing about genkernel (and other such tools in other distributions)
is, that they also create an initrd. "Bad" thing is, that they compile
way too much (which only harms in so far, as it makes the time needed
for compiling stuff longer and makes /lib/modules bigger than it needs
to be).

I suppose the initrd is the driving factor for developing genkernel-like
tools.

Michael
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

[Jean-Baptiste Mestelan]

On 15/01/2008, Dirk Heinrichs <dirk.heinrichs.ext@nsn.com> wrote:
> make menuconfig && make && make modules_install, maybe? This always works,
> on any distribution. I still wonder why they all invent their own, special
> way of compiling a kernel.

Sure, this will work.
This also presumes that you know your way through menuconfig.

> I still wonder why they all invent their own, special
> way of compiling a kernel.
Probably to leave the choice to users, and allow someone to compile a
kernel without having in-depth knowledge of one's hardware and kernel
options ?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

[Jean-Baptiste Mestelan]

On 15/01/2008, Michael Schmarck <michael.schmarck@habmalnefrage.de> wrote:
> Hello!
>
> On Jan 15, 2008 1:54 PM, Jean-Baptiste Mestelan <mestelan@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 15/01/2008, Michael Schmarck <michael.schmarck@habmalnefrage.de> wrote:
>
> [ Installing via GRML ]
>
> > > IOW: Use the original documentation. Chapter 2 is of course then
> > > of no use, for the most part. The thing about hdparm and user
> > > accounts is valid none the less, though.
> >
> > I went through a  new install process this week, using Kubuntu liveCD,
> > and indeed the original documentation applies OK.
> > Only one minor notice : the part about using 'mirrorselect' will not
> > work, as this tool will not included in an alternate liveCD, so you
> > will have to select the mirrors manually (check the syntax beforehand,
> > maybe).
>
> I don't quite understand. When you're installing stuff from
> within Kubuntu (or whatever Live CD), you're in a Gentoo chroot.
> Why can't you install mirrorselect there and run mirrorselect
> in the chroot?
You are right, this would work. I had just not thought this program
would be in the portage tree.

> > Also, obviously, you will not be able to use genkernel and
> > automagically compile kernel (there could be other ways ?).
>
> Same question, basically. Why can''t you run genkernel
> in the chroot (I only used genkernel once, and then switched
> back to compiling the kernel by myself)?

Same reply :-)
May I just point that you are stating this as an experienced user, who
can afford some detachment from the documentation process ? This might
not be the case for every single person starting a Gentoo install ;
but thanks for providing us these different options.

Jean-Baptiste
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

[Dirk Heinrichs]

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Am Dienstag, 15. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Jean-Baptiste Mestelan:
> On 15/01/2008, Dirk Heinrichs <dirk.heinrichs.ext@nsn.com> wrote:
> > make menuconfig && make && make modules_install, maybe? This always
> > works, on any distribution. I still wonder why they all invent their
> > own, special way of compiling a kernel.
>
> Sure, this will work.
> This also presumes that you know your way through menuconfig.

Another option would be to start with the kernel/modules that come with your 
LiveCD. Since you bootet the CD from it, you know it works.

> > I still wonder why they all invent their own, special
> > way of compiling a kernel.
>
> Probably to leave the choice to users, and allow someone to compile a
> kernel without having in-depth knowledge of one's hardware and kernel
> options ?

Sure. My point was not about having such a tool, but having multiple 
different ones.

However, once you are used to it, x- or menuconfig are quite convenient.

Bye...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

[Wayn0]

Jean-Baptiste Mestelan wrote:
> On 15/01/2008, Michael Schmarck <michael.schmarck@habmalnefrage.de> wrote:
>> Hello!
>>
>> On Jan 15, 2008 1:54 PM, Jean-Baptiste Mestelan <mestelan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 15/01/2008, Michael Schmarck <michael.schmarck@habmalnefrage.de> wrote:
>> [ Installing via GRML ]
>>
>>>> IOW: Use the original documentation. Chapter 2 is of course then
>>>> of no use, for the most part. The thing about hdparm and user
>>>> accounts is valid none the less, though.
>>> I went through a  new install process this week, using Kubuntu liveCD,
>>> and indeed the original documentation applies OK.
>>> Only one minor notice : the part about using 'mirrorselect' will not
>>> work, as this tool will not included in an alternate liveCD, so you
>>> will have to select the mirrors manually (check the syntax beforehand,
>>> maybe).
>> I don't quite understand. When you're installing stuff from
>> within Kubuntu (or whatever Live CD), you're in a Gentoo chroot.
>> Why can't you install mirrorselect there and run mirrorselect
>> in the chroot?
> You are right, this would work. I had just not thought this program
> would be in the portage tree.
> 
>>> Also, obviously, you will not be able to use genkernel and
>>> automagically compile kernel (there could be other ways ?).
>> Same question, basically. Why can''t you run genkernel
>> in the chroot (I only used genkernel once, and then switched
>> back to compiling the kernel by myself)?
> 
> Same reply :-)
> May I just point that you are stating this as an experienced user, who
> can afford some detachment from the documentation process ? This might
> not be the case for every single person starting a Gentoo install ;
> but thanks for providing us these different options.
> 
> Jean-Baptiste

I agree with you that complete n00b may have a problem here but...

The n00b install argument holds no water with me as the user will need 
be somewhat experienced to maintain the system in any event.

Detaching oneself from documentation will become a vital skill once you 
have your own *unique* Gentoo system up and running.

my 2c

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

[Michael Schmarck]

Bon jour!

On Jan 15, 2008 2:29 PM, Jean-Baptiste Mestelan <mestelan@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 15/01/2008, Michael Schmarck <michael.schmarck@habmalnefrage.de> wrote:

> > I don't quite understand. When you're installing stuff from
> > within Kubuntu (or whatever Live CD), you're in a Gentoo chroot.
> > Why can't you install mirrorselect there and run mirrorselect
> > in the chroot?
> You are right, this would work. I had just not thought this program
> would be in the portage tree.

Hm. Okay. Where else should it be? What do Install CD
users do, to get mirrorselect? For me, not having used a
Gentoo Install CD once, the natural thing to do to get a
program on gentoo is "emerge $program". And "mirrorselect"
is a program.

> > > Also, obviously, you will not be able to use genkernel and
> > > automagically compile kernel (there could be other ways ?).
> >
> > Same question, basically. Why can''t you run genkernel
> > in the chroot (I only used genkernel once, and then switched
> > back to compiling the kernel by myself)?
>
> Same reply :-)
> May I just point that you are stating this as an experienced user, who
> can afford some detachment from the documentation process ?

I admit it - I don't know what's in the documentation. As
I'm also too lazy to check right now, I go by my assumptions
now - and they are, that genkernel is yet another program
which needs to be installed in the chroot and thus needs
to emerge'd first.

Is that not the case for Install CD users?

Best regards,
Michael
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:10:43 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote:

> I don't quite understand. When you're installing stuff from
> within Kubuntu (or whatever Live CD), you're in a Gentoo chroot.
> Why can't you install mirrorselect there and run mirrorselect
> in the chroot?

How would you download it when you haven't set GENTOO_MIRRORS yet :)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

[Dale]

Michael Schmarck wrote:
> Bon jour!
>
> On Jan 15, 2008 2:29 PM, Jean-Baptiste Mestelan <mestelan@gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> On 15/01/2008, Michael Schmarck <michael.schmarck@habmalnefrage.de> wrote:
>>     
>
>   
>>> I don't quite understand. When you're installing stuff from
>>> within Kubuntu (or whatever Live CD), you're in a Gentoo chroot.
>>> Why can't you install mirrorselect there and run mirrorselect
>>> in the chroot?
>>>       
>> You are right, this would work. I had just not thought this program
>> would be in the portage tree.
>>     
>
> Hm. Okay. Where else should it be? What do Install CD
> users do, to get mirrorselect? For me, not having used a
> Gentoo Install CD once, the natural thing to do to get a
> program on gentoo is "emerge $program". And "mirrorselect"
> is a program.
>
>   
>>>> Also, obviously, you will not be able to use genkernel and
>>>> automagically compile kernel (there could be other ways ?).
>>>>         
>>> Same question, basically. Why can''t you run genkernel
>>> in the chroot (I only used genkernel once, and then switched
>>> back to compiling the kernel by myself)?
>>>       
>> Same reply :-)
>> May I just point that you are stating this as an experienced user, who
>> can afford some detachment from the documentation process ?
>>     
>
> I admit it - I don't know what's in the documentation. As
> I'm also too lazy to check right now, I go by my assumptions
> now - and they are, that genkernel is yet another program
> which needs to be installed in the chroot and thus needs
> to emerge'd first.
>
> Is that not the case for Install CD users?
>
> Best regards,
> Michael
>   

Basically, once you get booted up, partition your drive like you want,
create mount points ( mkdir /mnt/gentoo ), unpack the stage 3 tarball,
mount your new partitions, chroot into the tarball.  After you chroot,
it is just like running from the install CD.  Mirrorselect should be
there in the tarball.

Sort of keep in mind that when you chroot in, you are basically in a
Gentoo OS at that point.  The tarball is a mini Gentoo install basically.

Someone speak up if I missed a step.  It has been a while for this old
goat. 

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

[Wayn0]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:10:43 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote:
> 
>> I don't quite understand. When you're installing stuff from
>> within Kubuntu (or whatever Live CD), you're in a Gentoo chroot.
>> Why can't you install mirrorselect there and run mirrorselect
>> in the chroot?
> 
> How would you download it when you haven't set GENTOO_MIRRORS yet :)
> 
> 
GENTOO_MIRRORS has a default value set :-)

Wayn0


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

[Dirk Heinrichs]

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Am Dienstag, 15. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Neil Bothwick:
> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:10:43 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote:
> > I don't quite understand. When you're installing stuff from
> > within Kubuntu (or whatever Live CD), you're in a Gentoo chroot.
> > Why can't you install mirrorselect there and run mirrorselect
> > in the chroot?
>
> How would you download it when you haven't set GENTOO_MIRRORS yet :)

Rumour has it there's a default.

Bye...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

[Michael Schmarck]

Hi!

On Jan 15, 2008 3:22 PM, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:10:43 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote:
>
> > I don't quite understand. When you're installing stuff from
> > within Kubuntu (or whatever Live CD), you're in a Gentoo chroot.
> > Why can't you install mirrorselect there and run mirrorselect
> > in the chroot?
>
> How would you download it when you haven't set GENTOO_MIRRORS yet :)

Hm? Then you download from the main gentoo server, don't
you?

Michael
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[gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

[James]

Wayn0 <wayn0.ml <at> gmail.com> writes:


> There is very little difference, you could use the standard gentoo 
> handbook.


Yep, works great....

thx


James

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

[Iain Buchanan]

On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 14:13 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote:
> Grüezi!
> 
> On Jan 15, 2008 2:05 PM, Dirk Heinrichs <dirk.heinrichs.ext@nsn.com> wrote:
> 
> > make menuconfig && make && make modules_install, maybe? This always works,
> > on any distribution. I still wonder why they all invent their own, special
> > way of compiling a kernel.
> 
> Nice thing about genkernel (and other such tools in other distributions)
> is, that they also create an initrd.

what about mkinitrd?

> I suppose the initrd is the driving factor for developing genkernel-like
> tools.

really?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

[Iain Buchanan]

On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 14:39 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 15. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Jean-Baptiste Mestelan:
> > On 15/01/2008, Dirk Heinrichs <dirk.heinrichs.ext@nsn.com> wrote:
> > > make menuconfig && make && make modules_install, maybe? This always
> > > works, on any distribution. I still wonder why they all invent their
> > > own, special way of compiling a kernel.
> >
> > Sure, this will work.
> > This also presumes that you know your way through menuconfig.
> 
> Another option would be to start with the kernel/modules that come with your 
> LiveCD. Since you bootet the CD from it, you know it works.
> 
> > > I still wonder why they all invent their own, special
> > > way of compiling a kernel.
> >
> > Probably to leave the choice to users, and allow someone to compile a
> > kernel without having in-depth knowledge of one's hardware and kernel
> > options ?

how about just providing a .config file then?

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[gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

[reader]

Anyone talking about grml here know where to download:
>From grml.org:

 `Release grml 1.1-rc1 - Codename Skunk'

Unless you want to use the baloney bit torrent download it appears
none of the servers listed have that version.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

[Michael Schmarck]

reader@newsguy.com <reader@newsguy.com> wrote:

> Anyone talking about grml here know where to download:
> From grml.org:
> 
>  `Release grml 1.1-rc1 - Codename Skunk'
> 
> Unless you want to use the baloney bit torrent download 

What's baloney about a bittorrent download? It's a good way to save on bandwidth for
the one, who offers a download. It's also not more insecure than a plain old http
or ftp download - in the contrary, it's at least as secure.

> it appears 
> none of the servers listed have that version.

That might have been the case 5 hours ago, but right now, already
the 1st server has it.

http://grml.deb.at/ -> http://grml.deb.at/devel/grml_1.1-rc1.iso

Also other servers have it (the only other one I checked is
http://debian.netcologne.de/www.grml.org/devel/, and there you
can find grml_1.1-rc1.iso at http://debian.netcologne.de/www.grml.org/devel/grml_1.1-rc1.iso
as well).

Michael

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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing via GRML

[Dirk Heinrichs]

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Am Dienstag, 15. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck:

> Nice thing about genkernel (and other such tools in other distributions)
> is, that they also create an initrd.

Even though most users don't need one. There are only two cases where one 
needs an initrd/initramfs:

1) Your / fs is encrypted and/or located on a logical volume or soft raid 
device.

2) You need a propietary driver module for getting at your / fs.

> "Bad" thing is, that they compile 
> way too much (which only harms in so far, as it makes the time needed
> for compiling stuff longer and makes /lib/modules bigger than it needs
> to be).

True.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

[Dirk Heinrichs]

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Am Mittwoch, 16. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Iain Buchanan:
> On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 14:39 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> > Am Dienstag, 15. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Jean-Baptiste Mestelan:
> > > On 15/01/2008, Dirk Heinrichs <dirk.heinrichs.ext@nsn.com> wrote:
> > > > I still wonder why they all invent their own, special
> > > > way of compiling a kernel.
> > >
> > > Probably to leave the choice to users, and allow someone to compile a
> > > kernel without having in-depth knowledge of one's hardware and kernel
> > > options ?
>
> how about just providing a .config file then?

Yep, would just be a matter of switching on /proc/config(.gz) support.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing via GRML

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:27:11 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:

> what about making a nice flash splash?!  I think you need an initrd for
> that too.

Yes, but you don't need genkernel, or even mkinitrd for that. If your
initrd only contains the splash image and tools, splashutils can create
it for you.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing via GRML

[Iain Buchanan]

On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 07:59 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 15. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck:
> 
> > Nice thing about genkernel (and other such tools in other distributions)
> > is, that they also create an initrd.
> 
> Even though most users don't need one. There are only two cases where one 
> needs an initrd/initramfs:
> 
> 1) Your / fs is encrypted and/or located on a logical volume or soft raid 
> device.
> 
> 2) You need a propietary driver module for getting at your / fs.

what about making a nice flash splash?!  I think you need an initrd for
that too.

cya,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing via GRML

[Dirk Heinrichs]

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Am Mittwoch, 16. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Iain Buchanan:
> On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 07:59 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> > Am Dienstag, 15. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck:
> > > Nice thing about genkernel (and other such tools in other
> > > distributions) is, that they also create an initrd.
> >
> > Even though most users don't need one. There are only two cases where
> > one needs an initrd/initramfs:
> >
> > 1) Your / fs is encrypted and/or located on a logical volume or soft
> > raid device.
> >
> > 2) You need a propietary driver module for getting at your / fs.
>
> what about making a nice flash splash?!  I think you need an initrd for
> that too.

Nobody really needs this, it's just eyecandy. Doesn't count :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing via GRML

[Iain Buchanan]

On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 13:15 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 16. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Iain Buchanan:

> > what about making a nice flash splash?!  I think you need an initrd for
> > that too.
> 
> Nobody really needs this, it's just eyecandy. Doesn't count :-)

:D
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[gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

[reader]

Michael Schmarck <michael.schmarck@habmalnefrage.de> writes:

>>  `Release grml 1.1-rc1 - Codename Skunk'
>> 
>> Unless you want to use the baloney bit torrent download 
>
> What's baloney about a bittorrent download? It's a good way to save
> on bandwidth for the one, who offers a download. It's also not more
> insecure than a plain old http or ftp download - in the contrary,
> it's at least as secure.

Sorry that was a pretty dumb thing to say... I do think its baloney
but saying that guaranteed someone would be rubbed the wrong way.  Not
a smart move in a request for help...

To me, bitorrent is just more piddling around.  You have to install
something extra (don't you?) to use it.  Its not fast at all.  For the
kind of size we are talking a dsl connection should handle normal ftp
or any http download in a matter of a few minutes.  I pay for dsl
exactly so I don't need to mess around with downloads...

I guess I assumed someone offering such a download would have the
necessary bandwidth.

I wasn't concerned at all about security.  

Not to put too fine a point on it but:
Plain old ftp should be all I need for something like that download.

>> it appears 
>> none of the servers listed have that version.
>
> That might have been the case 5 hours ago, but right now, already
> the 1st server has it.

Yes, at least one there has it now.... thanks

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