[gentoo-user] [OT] Sudden XP death

[gentoo-user] [OT] Sudden XP death

[maxim wexler]

Hi group,

Trying to set up vmware, unfortunately the PC dies
suddenly after booting WinXP. XP boots OK but anywhere
between a couple of seconds to about 5 mins afterwards
without any warning the PC simply shuts itself off.
And when it reboots it doesn't complain about a sudden
shutdown, just churns merrily along for a few moments
then, clunk, the PC stops cold.

This is a fresh install of XP SP1 with nothing added
except for the (native)9250 ATI drivers. It hasn't
even been on line yet, so it's not a virus.

It's on sda1, which was freshly formatted NTFS; the
rest of the drive is given over to gentoo which works
fine.

Be interested to hear from anyone else this has ever
happened to.

Maxim


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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Sudden XP death

[Thierry de Coulon]

On Saturday 22 December 2007, maxim wexler wrote:
> Hi group,
>
> Trying to set up vmware, unfortunately the PC dies
> suddenly after booting WinXP. XP boots OK but anywhere
> between a couple of seconds to about 5 mins afterwards
> without any warning the PC simply shuts itself off.
> And when it reboots it doesn't complain about a sudden
> shutdown, just churns merrily along for a few moments
> then, clunk, the PC stops cold.
>
> This is a fresh install of XP SP1 with nothing added
> except for the (native)9250 ATI drivers. It hasn't
> even been on line yet, so it's not a virus.
>
> It's on sda1, which was freshly formatted NTFS; the
> rest of the drive is given over to gentoo which works
> fine.
>
> Be interested to hear from anyone else this has ever
> happened to.
>
> Maxim

Do you mean the host PC shutsdown? And by sda1, do you mean you're installing 
to a NTFS partition and not to a virtual hard disk? Do I understand right 
that the installation of XP went OK but booting fails? Or are you trying to 
boot an installed XP from vmware?

Anyway, my experience with such sudden failures were usually linked to either 
processor heat or Power Supply being not strong enough. But it was never 
linked to vmware.

Thierry

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Sudden XP death

[maxim wexler]

> > Be interested to hear from anyone else this has
> ever
> > happened to.
> >
> > Maxim
> 
> Do you mean the host PC shutsdown? And by sda1, do
> you mean you're installing 
> to a NTFS partition and not to a virtual hard disk?
> Do I understand right 
> that the installation of XP went OK but booting
> fails? Or are you trying to 
> boot an installed XP from vmware?

vmware hasn't even been merged yet. _Booting_ both
OSes is OK. XP fails; gentoo does not. If I'm not
mistaken XP has to at least work before vmware will.

> 
> Anyway, my experience with such sudden failures were
> usually linked to either 
> processor heat or Power Supply being not strong
> enough. But it was never 
> linked to vmware.
> 
> Thierry

I'm guessing it's my video card, a Radeon 9250, not
playing nice w/XP. As I said earlier the only thing
installed was the video drivers. Both sets of XP
drivers were tried, the ones that come with XP and the
ATI ones that came on a CD with the card. When _no_
video drivers are installed the PC doesn't commit
suicide. When either set of available XP drivers are
tried the PC randomly dies. 

If it's the PS surely gentoo would fail as well since
I run that(with the gentoo-ATI drivers BTW) for days
on end without a problem running various players,
merging software, moving files etc.

Too much heat? Well, it was running hot as a matter of
fact earlier before XP started to tank. The CPU was
covered with thick brown dust but cleaning it out
didn't help.

To test my theory, today I ordered an nVidia Geforce
vid card off eBay.

I should know in a couple weeks how accurate the
diagnosis ;)

-mw


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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Sudden XP death

[Thierry de Coulon]

On Sunday 23 December 2007, maxim wexler wrote:
> vmware hasn't even been merged yet. _Booting_ both
> OSes is OK. XP fails; gentoo does not. If I'm not
> mistaken XP has to at least work before vmware will.
(...)
> I'm guessing it's my video card, a Radeon 9250

You are right that XP should work - or you can install it on a virtual 
machine. I am not sure what advantages you get from running vmware from a 
partition (unless of course you also want to dual boot).

My experience with video card is: stick with Nvidia as long as AMD/ATI hasn't 
cured the driver problems - however this is a Linux advice!

You are correct about the psu and probably right about the card. It may be a 
card vs board problem (I had a motherboard that just would not stand a Nvidia 
6600GT, however it locked, it did not shutdown).

I'm afraid I can't help more as far as Windows is concerned: the latest 
version I booted from HD was 3.1 and the latest I run in vmware is 2000.

Good luck,

Thierry


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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Sudden XP death

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:13:35 +0100, Thierry de Coulon wrote:

> You are right that XP should work - or you can install it on a virtual 
> machine. I am not sure what advantages you get from running vmware from
> a partition (unless of course you also want to dual boot).

I doubt that would work. The virtual machine identifies itself as
different "hardware" from the host, so the MS profit-protection would
kick in, claiming you were trying to run the same copy of the OS on two
different computers.


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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Sudden XP death

[maxim wexler]

 
> I doubt that would work. The virtual machine
> identifies itself as
> different "hardware" from the host, so the MS
> profit-protection would
> kick in, claiming you were trying to run the same
> copy of the OS on two
> different computers.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Neil Bothwick

Mebbe I'm confusing wine with vmware. I need to run a
XP-specific CAD program. So, it has to be installed in
XP and XP must be installed on the first partition of
the HDD, right? 

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Sudden XP death

[Mick]

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On Sunday 23 December 2007, maxim wexler wrote:
> > I doubt that would work. The virtual machine
> > identifies itself as
> > different "hardware" from the host, so the MS
> > profit-protection would
> > kick in, claiming you were trying to run the same
> > copy of the OS on two
> > different computers.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Neil Bothwick
>
> Mebbe I'm confusing wine with vmware. I need to run a
> XP-specific CAD program. So, it has to be installed in
> XP and XP must be installed on the first partition of
> the HDD, right?

No, it can be installed wherever you want it to be installed, (but not sure if 
you can install it directly on a second drive.  The catch is that it will 
want to be on the first drive, first partition, or otherwise will try to 
write its bootloader files there.  If the first drive is not 
recognisable/writeable by XP it will have a hissy fit and will bail out.  The 
(easy) solution is to install it on the first drive and then use partimage to 
create an image of it, which thereafter can be unloaded in whichever 
partition/drive you desire.  Use Grub to chainload it accordingly.
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Sudden XP death

[Iain Buchanan]

On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 18:38 +0000, Mick wrote:
> On Sunday 23 December 2007, maxim wexler wrote:
> > > I doubt that would work. The virtual machine
> > > identifies itself as
> > > different "hardware" from the host, so the MS
> > > profit-protection would
> > > kick in, claiming you were trying to run the same
> > > copy of the OS on two
> > > different computers.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Neil Bothwick
> >
> > Mebbe I'm confusing wine with vmware. I need to run a
> > XP-specific CAD program. So, it has to be installed in
> > XP and XP must be installed on the first partition of
> > the HDD, right?
> 
> No, it can be installed wherever you want it to be installed, (but not sure if 
> you can install it directly on a second drive.  The catch is that it will 
> want to be on the first drive, first partition, or otherwise will try to 
> write its bootloader files there.  If the first drive is not 
> recognisable/writeable by XP it will have a hissy fit and will bail out.  The 
> (easy) solution is to install it on the first drive and then use partimage to 
> create an image of it, which thereafter can be unloaded in whichever 
> partition/drive you desire.  Use Grub to chainload it accordingly.

sorry to jump in late, but can't you avoid all this hassle, and tell
VMware to use a virtual disk?  That way Winblows XP would _think_ it has
the entire disk (mbr and all) but it is really just a file in some
directory in linux...

HTH,
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